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Darwin Storm
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 Posted - 06/27/2003 : 20:52:09 [Permalink]
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For all the energy that the sun burns, it still only a small loss. Most of the energy/mass of hydrogen merely combines to form helium, with only about a 1% loss of mass to energy in space. Also, the rate of fusion is still slow enough to use only a small portion of the total mass of the sun at any give moment. Consequently, a ball of hydrogen the size of our sun, give or take a bit, has enough fuel for around 8 to 10 billion years of good lighting.
Also its interesting that creationist seem to miss the fact that the sun will actually expand as it uses the last dregs of hydrogen into a red giant.Good for us all that such an even is still a few billion years in our future. But hey, what is observations, study, expirmentation and all the science stuff really good for? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/28/2003 : 05:13:19 [Permalink]
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No no no, DS! That's all vile nonsense put forth by the atheistic, secular science community to further it's own, anti-Christian goals. Don't you realize that we are now in the End Times, and the Anti-Christ will soon be in command? The stupid, God-hating scientists are in for a big, fat suprise when we righteous are Raptured away and they are left to face the Beast. Oh, what a joyous day that will be!
Yes, we that are worthy will sit in God's presence and listen to the howls of anguish as the unrighteous and the doubters are cast into the pits of HELL, and their shrieks shall be as music unto us.
So cast aside all of the astronomy and evolution LIES while there is still a little time. Turn your back on the so-called biological research and the spoutings of geologists and others of that ilk, for these are no more than puffed-up ditch-diggers who LIE like drunken sailors.
Yes, I said LIE!! Only a FOOL would believe their radio-carbon-metrical flim-flam for the age of the earth. What twaddle! Who has ever seen a metrical radio-carbon? No one, that's who! If they are getting anything, it's the flatulence of SATAN impregnated into the earth and only 6000 years in the making, as the Bible clearly states.
And the greatist, atheistic, Christ-denying LIE of all is the Theory of Evolution! It has been said by one of our wisest Creation Scientists that, "You can't get a croc from a rock!" This is exactly right and entirely debunks every bit that evolution tripe. Did you ever see a crocodile spring forth from a chunk of granite? Of course not, and no one else has, either. This and other research and writings, from such REAL science sources as Answers in Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research, demonstrate that the Theory of Evolution is just that. A mere theory; a misguided guess. "Goo to you via the zoo!" as another, dedicated and righteous, Creation Scientist put it. In reality, evolution has been shown to be a religion, atheists worshipping at the feet of the god of MATERIALISM and LIES!
And oh how they'll scream and forever gnash their teeth in the brimstone FIRES of GEHENNA! And what a beautiful symphony it will be to the faithful!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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NottyImp
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/28/2003 : 05:40:20 [Permalink]
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I think you missed your vocation, filthy.  |
"My body is a temple - I desecrate it daily." |
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2003 : 07:23:39 [Permalink]
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| Wow, filthy, I am truly impressed! |
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Renae
SFN Regular
543 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2003 : 07:26:23 [Permalink]
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<<It's sad how this site doesn't even try to have no biast. everything is critisizing, christians, and there faith. heres somthing new for you all WERE NOT STUPID. you treat us like we are but were not.>>
I admit to being critical of both Christianity and of people who call themselves Christians but act in judgmental, mean-spirited, or narrow-minded ways. Hypocrisy is a hot-button issue for me. Mea culpa.
Religion is a chosen set of beliefs, yes? Why, then, should someone's religion be immune from criticism, argument, or even questioning? I hate sushi and my friends love it, and they often try to talk me into liking it. Point being: we all argue for our own position, right?
I have no quest to get people to abandon their faith in God. I only urge them to think critically and logically about their religion--and to admit that they might be wrong, as I am willing to do.
Science and religion have different aims, C88. Pitting one against the other assumes otherwise. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2003 : 07:49:54 [Permalink]
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| If they think critically and logically about their religion, they will abandon it. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2003 : 08:23:40 [Permalink]
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There have been many rants like mine above to come across these boards, although mine was far superior to most in both content and composition. My posting it was a sort of dual purpose effort.
First, I felt like having a little fun -- often, we skeptics get all too serious -- and the other was for the benefit of our young friend, c'88.
Y'see, he came in here, as so many do, in no way prepared for us. He had no references and seemly nowhere to turn to get some. All he could do is wave his hands and shout, and that ain't hittin' on shit in a real debate. In fact, it can get one badly roughed up in a hurry.
So, I've mentioned AiG and ICR. Here, he can find the very latest in Young Earth Creationist thought by the world's two, major YEC organizations. I will post the links, if necessary.
With a bit of study, he'll be able to put forth a decent argument. I'm looking forward to it. 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Renae
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/28/2003 : 08:37:31 [Permalink]
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<<If they think critically and logically about their religion, they will abandon it.>>
Maybe.
Or maybe they'll examine the evidence carefully, abandon the fundamentalism and dogmatism, and still keep a private place of faith inside themselves.
Or maybe they'll approach their religion in a spirit of humility, with greater tolerance for those who believe differently.
Of course, all this could be wishful thinking on my part.
Renae, whose computer won't do icons. Please imagine a smiley face here. |
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byhisgrace88
Formerly "creation88"
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2003 : 09:12:04 [Permalink]
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| Or we could study critticly and logically (which i have done), and find out that it makes the most sense, it gives the most hope, and that almost nothing could ever deture that feeling. And if I addmit that I think it might be wrong, than I am not really a christian. Because I know it is, so I would be lieing through my teeth if I said otherwise. |
Indeed, if we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desire, not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.-- C.S. Lewis |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2003 : 09:56:27 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by creation88
Or we could study critticly and logically (which i have done), and find out that it makes the most sense, it gives the most hope, and that almost nothing could ever deture that feeling. And if I addmit that I think it might be wrong, than I am not really a christian. Because I know it is, so I would be lieing through my teeth if I said otherwise.
This is no more than mere opinion. What and where have you studied? How is religious dogma shown to be more logical than secular, scientific thought?
References, please.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2003 : 09:59:03 [Permalink]
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| At the risk of further feeding the troll, what have you studied "critticly (sic) and logically" to determine that Christianity makes the most sense? Have you studied Buddhism, Judaism, Islam? How about Mithraism or Zoroastrianism? Have you studied Plato, Hume, Nietzsche, or Sartre? Have you studied Christianity? |
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Renae
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/28/2003 : 10:00:35 [Permalink]
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C88, work with me here, K? *smiles*
You studied the evidence in ways you say were critical and logical. You believe that the preponderance of evidence supports the existence of God, which in your mind renders evolution false. Others believe as you do. Yes?
I have looked at the evidence, too. I believe based on the preponderance of evidence, that God probably doesn't exist and that evolution makes tremendous sense. Others here and else where believe much as I do.
Still with me?
Unless you have shaken hands with a supreme being who floats somewhere above the clouds in a place called Heaven, you don't *know* anything for sure, right? You simply have a chosen belief set, just as I do.
It's when Christians believe that somehow they have a hotline to the Answers of the Universe that I tend to lose patience.
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
385 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2003 : 10:11:55 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by creation88
Or we could study critticly and logically (which i have done), and find out that it makes the most sense, it gives the most hope, and that almost nothing could ever deture that feeling. And if I addmit that I think it might be wrong, than I am not really a christian. Because I know it is, so I would be lieing through my teeth if I said otherwise.
It seems peculiar to me that you would reject a wellsupported theory because you think it has no evidence, while, on the other hand, gladly accept religious belief which is unsupported. |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2003 : 10:17:09 [Permalink]
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It's a belated, "Welcome to SFN!" but it's a welcome none the less.
Hi Renae! great to see ya here!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2003 : 10:33:02 [Permalink]
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No. Faith is a rejection of logic.
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Originally posted by Renae
<<If they think critically and logically about their religion, they will abandon it.>>
Maybe.
Or maybe they'll examine the evidence carefully, abandon the fundamentalism and dogmatism, and still keep a private place of faith inside themselves.
Or maybe they'll approach their religion in a spirit of humility, with greater tolerance for those who believe differently.
Of course, all this could be wishful thinking on my part.
Renae, whose computer won't do icons. Please imagine a smiley face here.
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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