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Fireballn
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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 Posted - 07/18/2003 : 15:09:23 [Permalink]
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If i were the supreme being, I wouldn't have messed around with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers 8 o'clock day one!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/18/2003 : 16:23:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by hippy4christ
jmcginn: I admit I was being arrogant and rude to start off with. However, I acted out of ignorance and lack of time; I was not intentionally lying.
I admit, I acted hastily, and should have studied my subject better. I'll close this thread and open a new one when I have read up on biology. However, I will pose a few questions in other threads that you may or may not have heard. I know that I reflect poorly on the group I am attempting to defend, I hope that my forthcoming and open mind will also keep you (all) from dismissing me out of hand.
Later,
Hippy
Ah, that's what I like to hear. Research! It's everything!
But don't just go to AiG, ICR, and so forth. View the works of the 'evolutionists, as well. Never make up your mind until you have all of the info possible, pro and con.
We here will be happy to make recommendations to anyone who might be the least curious.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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Phobos
New Member
USA
47 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2003 : 16:27:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by hippy4christ
What I do not believe in is mutation. A fish growing lungs and becoming a land animal, for instance.
In case it wasn't obvious from the previous posts, this kind of change would not be the result of a single mutation. It would be the result of many incremental changes.
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If such a change were to occur, it would have to happen to the entire group located in that area.
Correct! :)
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If a species of fish were in such danger that it could no longer live in the sea and would have to go to land, isn't it more likely that it would either be wiped out by it's threat or would move it's location before growing lungs?
The fish population would have developed the skill (air breathing, land walking) while still happily living in water. They may spend 99% of their lives in water and 1% out. Then 95%-5%. Then 80-20. etc. etc. until they become more land-dwelling than sea-dwelling. (again, consider my mudskipper/hippo examples...or consider amphibians)
Such a dramatic transition would not be the result of an immediate short-term pressure. (smaller changes might, but not such large changes)
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That, in your thinking, would take millions of years.
Certainly!
AFTER THOUGHT...Take a brick wall. Replace 1 brick with 1 stone. Is it still a brick wall? Or is it a stone wall? Keep replacing bricks with stones. At what point does it become a stone wall? At 51% stone content? At 99.9%? The point is the transition. The deeper point is that at each transitional step, it is still a fully functional wall. |
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
842 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2003 : 17:08:10 [Permalink]
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I know that I reflect poorly on the group I am attempting to defend, I hope that my forthcoming and open mind will also keep you (all) from dismissing me out of hand.
Look, we all need more educating in those areas where we are abysmally ignorant. My areas of ignorance are different from yours.
Look, the group you were attempting to defend probably is/was equally ignorant. Find new friends who have a better understanding of science.
I was lucky. My family was scientific. I did not need to unlearn anything (although some scientific ideas have changed over the years and have been adjusted or discarded).
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"Innumerable suns exist; innumerable earths revolve about these suns in a manner similar to the way the seven planets revolve around our sun. Living beings inhabit these worlds."
Giordano Bruno
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| Edited by - ljbrs on 07/18/2003 17:10:06 |
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