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gezzam
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"God defeated armies of Philistines and others with confusion. Dimpled and hanging chads may also be because of God's intervention on those who were voting incorrectly. Why is GW Bush our president? It was God's choice."
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walt fristoe
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Posted - 08/15/2003 : 10:11:54 [Permalink]
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Yeah, I just read this same article at the New York Times. I just can't believe that even at this late date, "Americans are 3 times more likely to believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus (83%) as in evolution (28%)."
Even 47% of non-Christians say they believe in the Virgin Birth! How is that possible?
Also, I find it very discouraging that "Americans believe, 58% to 40%, that it is necessary to believe in God to be moral."
This represents, I think, a major failure of the non-theistic sector of our society to properly educate the teeming masses. If this trend continues, America may very well become just another theocratic third-world nation, ruled by those who claim to be "God's mouth-piece".
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ktesibios
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Posted - 08/15/2003 : 11:49:43 [Permalink]
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Now here's an example of the difference between a professional columnist and an ordinary shlep like me:
"The faith in the Virgin Birth reflects the way American Christianity is becoming less intellectual and more mystical over time. The percentage of Americans who believe in the Virgin Birth actually rose five points in the latest poll."
I would have put this more like "The irrational belief in the Virgin Birth reflects the way that American xtians are becoming dumber and more gullible over time. OMFG, their brains are falling out even as we watch!"
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gezzam
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Posted - 08/15/2003 : 12:22:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ktesibios
Now here's an example of the difference between a professional columnist and an ordinary shlep like me:
"The faith in the Virgin Birth reflects the way American Christianity is becoming less intellectual and more mystical over time. The percentage of Americans who believe in the Virgin Birth actually rose five points in the latest poll."
I would have put this more like "The irrational belief in the Virgin Birth reflects the way that American xtians are becoming dumber and more gullible over time. OMFG, their brains are falling out even as we watch!"
Euphemism is such a handy talent.
Maybe we could say something like "The percentage of Americans who believe in the Virgin Birth is in direct proportion to the percentage of Americans who actually believe that Benny Hinn can heal people and that John Edwards can talk to the dead"
How can we be surprised by figures like this when you see evangelists playing to sold out stadiums and masses of people losing countless dollars to telephone psychics.
What's scarier is that these people have the right to vote thus electing officials that pander to their cries of outrage when something attacks their irrational beliefs.....i.e science
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furshur
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Posted - 08/15/2003 : 13:15:34 [Permalink]
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Maybe we could say something like "The percentage of Americans who believe in the Virgin Birth is in direct proportion to the percentage of Americans who actually believe that Benny Hinn can heal people and that John Edwards can talk to the dead"
What is wrong with people??
This morning before work I turned on the tube and Benny Hinn was on. The size of the crowd that was there was unbelievable and the people were weeping with... I don't know, joy, fear, embarrassment? That guy's haircut cost more money than I make in a week, ferchrissake.
There is a fellow engineer here who was posed that stupid question, "Which freezes faster, cold or hot water". He, of course, said hot water. I told him that he should know better than that, he is an engineer for crying out loud. He told me that it's true that hot water freezes faster because of Thermal Momentum.
Maybe terrorist have put something the water to make us all real stupid. Well if they did - it seems to be working.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 08/15/2003 : 14:55:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
There is a fellow engineer here who was posed that stupid question, "Which freezes faster, cold or hot water". He, of course, said hot water. I told him that he should know better than that, he is an engineer for crying out loud. He told me that it's true that hot water freezes faster because of Thermal Momentum.
Maybe terrorist have put something the water to make us all real stupid. Well if they did - it seems to be working.
I'm an electronics engineer, so I know little about thermodynamics. Common sense dictates that cold water freezes quicker than hot. But "Common sense" is known to be completely wrong from time to time, so I propose you do an experiment. Take a mug of hot, and a mug of cold water and put them in the freezer and check on them until both has frozen solid.
Then you might know what's true.
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welshdean
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Posted - 08/15/2003 : 15:57:46 [Permalink]
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Furshur showed disdain toward....
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Thermal Momentum.
Whats wrong with that!!! "Ya gots ta laff or yerl cry"
On a more serious note. In answer to this....
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"Which freezes faster, cold or hot water".
try this:http://www.newscientist.com/lastword/article.jsp?id=lw236
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Maverick
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Posted - 08/17/2003 : 08:06:29 [Permalink]
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Americans are three times as likely to believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus (83 percent) as in evolution (28 percent).
What do they teach the kids in school over there? Or do the students disregard some of the things taught to them, based on their own faith or beliefs?
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"God defeated armies of Philistines and others with confusion. Dimpled and hanging chads may also be because of God's intervention on those who were voting incorrectly. Why is GW Bush our president? It was God's choice."
The mere thought that there are people who honestly and truly believe that there is even the most remote possibility that this is true, is quite mindboggling.
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[...] not only do 91 percent of Christians say they believe in
the Virgin Birth, but so do an astonishing 47 percent of U.S. non-Christians.
So basically they believe that the possibility for a virgin to give birth to a child is so great, that it happened even once? Btw, I've read somewhere, that the word "virgin" might just be the result of a mistranslation... anyone know more? |
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filthy
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Posted - 08/17/2003 : 08:39:35 [Permalink]
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Well, I believe in virgin birth, without a single doubt, and you blaspheming heathen are just gonna have to live with it.
There are species of whip-tail lizards and geckos that are parthenogentic (hope I've spelled that right). There are no males in the species, so all of their births could be considered virgin.
Therefore, Mary was a gecko -- see how easy it all is to explain?
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Randy
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Posted - 08/17/2003 : 10:11:15 [Permalink]
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Holy Gecko, Batman!
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gezzam
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Posted - 08/17/2003 : 17:17:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Well, I believe in virgin birth, without a single doubt, and you blaspheming heathen are just gonna have to live with it.
There are species of whip-tail lizards and geckos that are parthenogentic (hope I've spelled that right). There are no males in the species, so all of their births could be considered virgin.
Therefore, Mary was a gecko -- see how easy it all is to explain?
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ljbrs
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Posted - 08/17/2003 : 17:57:33 [Permalink]
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Filthy:
Marvelous! Now, how do I stop laughing? I think I am going to get sick...
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tw101356
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Posted - 08/17/2003 : 18:41:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by welshdean
Furshur showed disdain toward....
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Thermal Momentum.
Whats wrong with that!!! "Ya gots ta laff or yerl cry"
On a more serious note. In answer to this....
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"Which freezes faster, cold or hot water".
try this:http://www.newscientist.com/lastword/article.jsp?id=lw236
It looks like the 'book' ain't closed.
That URL shows a lovely little demonstration of the scientific method at work. Hypothesis, experiment, refined hypothesis, and repeat, with the final entry pointing out an overlooked factor that may invalidate some of the experiments, but not all.
As to the orignal topic of this thread, I'd like to see the questions and the statistics behind that poll.
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mr. who
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Posted - 09/08/2003 : 12:04:51 [Permalink]
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| I believe faith,hope,and love is something all people and creatures need to exsist even Carl Sagen. And without those three things nothing would want exsist. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/08/2003 : 15:26:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by mr. who
I believe faith,hope,and love is something all people and creatures need to exsist even Carl Sagen. And without those three things nothing would want exsist.
Hi Mr. Who. Welcome!
Faith, hope and love are pretty much confined to some mammals, mainly primates.
Of course Sagan felt these things, as do we all. It's just that some of us feel them for things other than a metaphysical being and the storys told about it. I for example, feel love for my family, hope that our current administration will self-destruct soonest, and faith born of experience that that tomorrow will be another day. 
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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