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dimossi
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Posted - 08/18/2003 :  07:51:30  Show Profile  Visit dimossi's Homepage  Send dimossi an AOL message Send dimossi a Private Message
Anyone care to rebut the points made in this article?

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/Ridenour20030815.shtml

quote:
"Blackouts" Today, "Greenouts" Tomorrow: America Needs a Pro-Production Energy Policy
Amy Ridenour

August 15, 2003

Tens of millions Americans got a wakeup call Thursday: cheap, accessible energy isn't something to take for granted.

Unfortunately, many of America's most powerful environmental organizations do take energy for granted, and they are trying to set America on a course that, if unchecked, could make the future very dark indeed.

These environmentalist groups hate energy. They don't put it so starkly, but a review of their policies can lead to no other conclusion.

Leading environmental organizations, for example, make it very, very difficult to build new power plants and oil refineries. No major oil refineries have been built in the U.S. since 1976, although the number of vehicles in use has doubled and refineries are running at capacity.

A regulatory change made during the Clinton Administration to a program called New Source Review has, as the EPA puts it, "impeded or resulted in the cancellation of projects that would maintain or improve reliability, efficiency or safety of existing power plants and refineries."

Yet when the EPA announced that it would alter the changes to remove impediments that are harmful to energy production but unnecessary for environmental protection, environmentalists screamed bloody murder. This although the EPA was otherwise continuing the New Source Review program as devised by Congress -- back in 1977, when Congress was controlled by Democrats.

Environmentalists famously oppose domestic oil drilling, advocating alternatives such as hydrogen. But, as William Tucker noted in the Weekly Standard, replacing oil with hydrogen ignores a critical fact: "...there is no source of free hydrogen in the world. Supplies will come from either 1) the electrolysis of water, which requires electricity, or 2) stripping hydrogen from natural gas."

But environmentalists oppose natural gas drilling and most of the methods used to generate electricity, too.

Although the U.S. has vast reserves of natural gas, much of it is off limits to drilling. Through the expansion of wilderness areas and national monuments in gas-rich regions of the West, millions of acres now are closed to oil and gas exploration. All is ardently supported by environmentalists. Now approximately 40 percent of known U.S. natural gas reserves are inaccessible because of environmental regulations on federal lands.

Not coincidentally, the price of natural gas in the U.S. has nearly doubled in the past year. Storage levels of natural gas are at their lowest point in 30 years.

Using electricity for any reason poses problems for environmentalists. They oppose coal mining, so coal-generated electricity is out, and detest nuclear power plants, although nuclear energy ought to be the energy of choice for anyone who actually believes human beings are causing global warming.

Environmentalists even oppose generating electricity by harnessing the natural power of rivers through clean hydroelectric dams. In fact, leading environmentalists lobby to have the dams torn down. They cite the dams' impact on fish, but in fact they oppose, on general principle, the notion of toying with nature.

Some environmentalists, such as Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. of the Natural Resources Defense Council, and Walter Cronkite even oppose wind farms. (Kennedy apparently thinks they are okay if he can't see them.) Cronkite, made a commercial against wind farms in Nantucket Sounds, says "massive wind turbines could disrupt the natural habitat for wildlife."

From a power-generation perspective, this is not such a big deal: it would take over 30,000 large windmill facilities, each containing many windmills, to generate enough electricity just for our needs. Even the wind energy industry claims only that wind energy could account for six percent of U.S. energy needs by 2020, and that's optimistic. However, you'd think that if any energy source could pass environmentalist muster, it would be technology based on something back in the Middle Ages.

Yet, energy has to come from somewhere, and as America's environmentalists oppose oil, natural gas, hydroelectric power, nuclear power, burning coal and even, when thought unsightly, wind farms, they really ought to tell the American people how they intend to keep the future from looking an awful lot like the Great Blackout of August 2003.

Though I suppose by then we'll call them "Greenouts."

Of course, it would be wrong to be completely critical of our environmentalist brethren. Huge energy blackouts aren't all bad. If what happened during past blackouts -- such as 1965's "The Night the Lights Went Out" in New York -- is any indication, nine months from now many families in blackout areas will happily greet bundles of joy.

Too bad environmentalists hate population growth, too.

Amy Ridenour is president of The National Center for Public Policy Research, a Townhall.com member group. Readers may write her at NCPPR, 777 N. Capitol St. NE, Suite 803, Washington, DC 20002 or by e-mail at aridenour@nationalcenter.org

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." [Philip K. Dick, science-fiction author]

Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/18/2003 :  11:53:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by dimossi

Anyone care to rebut the points made in this article?

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/Ridenour20030815.shtml

quote:
"Blackouts" Today, "Greenouts" Tomorrow: America Needs a Pro-Production Energy Policy
Amy Ridenour

August 15, 2003

Tens of millions Americans got a wakeup call Thursday: cheap, accessible energy isn't something to take for granted.

Unfortunately, many of America's most powerful environmental organizations do take energy for granted, and they are trying to set America on a course that, if unchecked, could make the future very dark indeed.

These environmentalist groups hate energy. They don't put it so starkly, but a review of their policies can lead to no other conclusion.

Leading environmental organizations, for example, make it very, very difficult to build new power plants and oil refineries. No major oil refineries have been built in the U.S. since 1976, although the number of vehicles in use has doubled and refineries are running at capacity.

A regulatory change made during the Clinton Administration to a program called New Source Review has, as the EPA puts it, "impeded or resulted in the cancellation of projects that would maintain or improve reliability, efficiency or safety of existing power plants and refineries."

Yet when the EPA announced that it would alter the changes to remove impediments that are harmful to energy production but unnecessary for environmental protection, environmentalists screamed bloody murder. This although the EPA was otherwise continuing the New Source Review program as devised by Congress -- back in 1977, when Congress was controlled by Democrats.

Environmentalists famously oppose domestic oil drilling, advocating alternatives such as hydrogen. But, as William Tucker noted in the Weekly Standard, replacing oil with hydrogen ignores a critical fact: "...there is no source of free hydrogen in the world. Supplies will come from either 1) the electrolysis of water, which requires electricity, or 2) stripping hydrogen from natural gas."

But environmentalists oppose natural gas drilling and most of the methods used to generate electricity, too.

Although the U.S. has vast reserves of natural gas, much of it is off limits to drilling. Through the expansion of wilderness areas and national monuments in gas-rich regions of the West, millions of acres now are closed to oil and gas exploration. All is ardently supported by environmentalists. Now approximately 40 percent of known U.S. natural gas reserves are inaccessible because of environmental regulations on federal lands.

Not coincidentally, the price of natural gas in the U.S. has nearly doubled in the past year. Storage levels of natural gas are at their lowest point in 30 years.

Using electricity for any reason poses problems for environmentalists. They oppose coal mining, so coal-generated electricity is out, and detest nuclear power plants, although nuclear energy ought to be the energy of choice for anyone who actually believes human beings are causing global warming.

Environmentalists even oppose generating electricity by harnessing the natural power of rivers through clean hydroelectric dams. In fact, leading environmentalists lobby to have the dams torn down. They cite the dams' impact on fish, but in fact they oppose, on general principle, the notion of toying with nature.

Some environmentalists, such as Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. of the Natural Resources Defense Council, and Walter Cronkite even oppose wind farms. (Kennedy apparently thinks they are okay if he can't see them.) Cronkite, made a commercial against wind farms in Nantucket Sounds, says "massive wind turbines could disrupt the natural habitat for wildlife."

From a power-generation perspective, this is not such a big deal: it would take over 30,000 large windmill facilities, each containing many windmills, to generate enough electricity just for our needs. Even the wind energy industry claims only that wind energy could account for six percent of U.S. energy needs by 2020, and that's optimistic. However, you'd think that if any energy source could pass environmentalist muster, it would be technology based on something back in the Middle Ages.

Yet, energy has to come from somewhere, and as America's environmentalists oppose oil, natural gas, hydroelectric power, nuclear power, burning coal and even, when thought unsightly, wind farms, they really ought to tell the American people how they intend to keep the future from looking an awful lot like the Great Blackout of August 2003.

Though I suppose by then we'll call them "Greenouts."

Of course, it would be wrong to be completely critical of our environmentalist brethren. Huge energy blackouts aren't all bad. If what happened during past blackouts -- such as 1965's "The Night the Lights Went Out" in New York -- is any indication, nine months from now many families in blackout areas will happily greet bundles of joy.

Too bad environmentalists hate population growth, too.

Amy Ridenour is president of The National Center for Public Policy Research, a Townhall.com member group. Readers may write her at NCPPR, 777 N. Capitol St. NE, Suite 803, Washington, DC 20002 or by e-mail at aridenour@nationalcenter.org




Yeah, what the hell.

Townhall has been an ultraconservative rag for a while.

It starts off by demonizing all environmentalists. Big mistake.

You have an anti-nuclear panic-mongering group to thank for the lack of construction of nuclear plants. While small, their special pleading voice has been loud enough to scare politicians. Environmentalist have radical factions and the author chooses to select the most outrageous of claims to back up their assertion that all environmentalists are like that.

Then there is the standard nebulous pin-it-on-Clinton claims. No source backing it up nor any specifics.

Bitches about oil refineries even though the OIL CORPORATIONS THEMSELVES have CLOSED DOWN operating refineries. The fact is that the oil companies have shuttered 24 oil refineries since 1995. Oh, but let's bitch about no new refineries built sine 1976.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0615-02.htm

Most of the environmental groups I have seen are pushing for hydrogen power for automobiles. They are also aware of the fact of there is no free lunch. They tend toward wind and solar as partial answers to energy supply. Personally, I think nuclear could replace fossil fuels much better. Solar and wind have too big of a footprint to be effective. Could be nice for personal use to reduce draw on power systems.

Again, a few environmentalist groups propose tearing down dams. Most oppose the construction of new dams but recognise the damage has already been irrepairably done to the ecosystems where hydroelectric power is currently generated. Tearing the dams down would impart no benefit.

In addition, basic Democrat=stupid, evil liberal language pervades this piece. Ignores that industry insiders have been placed in charge of the EPA. Not surprizingly, more and more items have been deemed "environmentally unnecassary" by a group which has no dissent opinion. The wolves have placed themselves as protectors of the henhouse.

In addition, a great majority (89%) of the percentage of new oil reserves found in the US are in OLD

Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

Brother Cutlass of Reasoned Discussion
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moakley
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Posted - 08/18/2003 :  13:51:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
Having read so much of their nonsense I wonder if Amy Ridenour, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Rush, etc. have ever said these 5 simple words to begin a sentence, "I may have been wrong ..."

Life is good

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous
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ktesibios
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Posted - 08/20/2003 :  19:57:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send ktesibios a Private Message
As far as I know, the recent blackout had much less to do with a lack of production, i.e., generating capacity, than with a lck of adequate transmission capacity.

For that, we can likely thank the degregulation of the electric power industry. Regulated utilities that were required to keep their generating capacity in line with the growth of demand also had an incentive to do the same for their transmission networks.

Divorcing generation from transmission and relying on the great god Market to coordinate everything has had the effect of transforming a network which was conceived as a means for cooperative resource sharing into a venue for the sort of manipulation and speculation that characterized 19th-century stock markets; vide the market manipulation that screwed us Californians over so badly.

The Enrons of the world weren't interested in sound engineering practice or in network or market stability; keeping an infrastructure up to date costs money that could be going into the pockets of the chosen few, and it's nowhere near as sexy or exciting as innovating new kinds of fraud.

So, if you want a scapegoat for our energy infrastructure problems, look no further than that beloved hobby horse of the far right- unlimited laissez-faire and the worship of short-term profit.

"The Republican agenda is to turn the United States into a third-world shithole." -P.Z.Myers
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