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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 10/09/2003 : 07:33:24 [Permalink]
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Oh goody! evolution/creation again; a topic I dearly love.
But alas, it is not suitable for this thread. Mahaad Mana, please open a new one and let's discuss it.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 10/09/2003 : 08:08:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chainsaw
You're still trying to justify public assistance as a third solution to make you comfortable with you principles, aren't you? However, you really cannot reason away the profound and serious implications for your proposed choice. You're really back to my two choices. The ones you have righteously insisted is a “false dichotomy”.
Your grasping at Medicare as the solution is laughable (again). You should know there is quite a bit more required here than just medical care. What do you mean you won't need drugs? No need for 24x7x365 caregivers? No need for specialized equipment? What about the specialized food, shelter, and all activities of daily living that will be required. It's not free, and it's not just there for you to pick up. You will have to struggle and fight your entire life for it. It will become your vocation.
I'm also surprised at your understanding of Medicare? I thought you said you were in healthcare? Yes, I understand the contractual adjustments. But things are much different in the shoes of a Medicare or Medicaid or SSI recipient. They don't cover everything. You thought otherwise?!? And in long term custotial care situations, coverage is even more limited. Didn't you know that doctors can refuse Medicare patients if they're not paid enought? And BTW, didn't Bush just announce a 4% physician cut for next year?
That you think this will be single lifetime inpatient episode shows just how far out of reality you are. Oops, didn't you know that Medicare cuts off inpatient reimbursements after a fixed number of days. And when a patient shows no progress funds are cut off immdediately regardless? Now, how are you going to show "medical progress"? Sounds like a government “Catch 22” to me. Just one of thousands of "Catch 22s" you will find in government entitlements.
Oops, didn't count on needing any special equipment did you. There's a whole different book on DME. I'll let you read the fine print yourself.
Oh BTW, where does long-term custodial care come from? Not from the feds. And if you go to the state in GA, your assets cannot exceed $2000. Oops, there goes the roof over your head, the clothes off you back, and that college fund for your other kids, well maybe they'll have to get a job.
If you think it's not a life of scrounging, pleading, pinching, sacrificing yourself, your family and everyone around you, you have your head buried in the sand. The emotional toll is high. The costs are staggering. And then you die. And what for? To satisfy some republican's principles who can't get enough grasp how the real world spins?!?!
Nope, you're back to space one friend. Retract your “False Dichotomy” accusation.
Now, if you do miracles, that's another thing.
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
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Posted - 11/05/2003 : 18:10:39 [Permalink]
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An update to this topic if anyone cares....
Judge Blocks Partial-Birth Abortion Ban
Apparently the new law signed in by Bush 43 will not let the mother abort the foetus in the third trimester even if there is a risk to herself or the child could be born with severe disabilities.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2003 : 19:30:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by gezzam
Any opinions on what Judge Kopf has said?
I don't know what that judge said but I say, anyone who's against human abortion is an ass.
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Renae
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/05/2003 : 19:42:24 [Permalink]
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Judge Kopf sounds like a sane, reasonable voice amidst the gothic drumbeat of the anti-abortion folks.
He points out that this new law makes no exception to preserve the life of the woman having the abortion--which makes no sense from a "pro-life" standpoint. He also wonders why no doctors who perform this procedure actually testified before Congress, another excellent point. "Partial-birth" isn't even a medical term. This is a classic case of politicizing a public health issue. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 02:19:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mahaad_Mana
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What did you expect? One of the sides in this debate is vehemently defended by religious people. They use the bible as if it was a document of absolute truth (which is absurd).
(Hope the quote thing works)
It did... keep up the good work.
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Besides, you have no proof God isn't real. :)
Does it matter? I have absolutely no evidence that he has interfered with my life.
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=>Science is Observation. Evolution cannot be proved becasue you cannot observe it<=
Electricity cannot be proved because you cannot observe electrons.
Gravitation cannot be proved because you cannot observe gravitons.
God cannot be proved because you cannot observe God.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 07:23:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by gezzam
An update to this topic if anyone cares....
Judge Blocks Partial-Birth Abortion Ban
Apparently the new law signed in by Bush 43 will not let the mother abort the foetus in the third trimester even if there is a risk to herself or the child could be born with severe disabilities.
Any opinions on what Judge Kopf has said?
It's based on established case law.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=US&case=/us/530/914.html
"The question before us is whether Nebraska's statute, making criminal the performance of a "partial birth abortion," violates the Federal Constitution, as interpreted in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833 (1992), and Roe v. Wade, 410 U. S. 113 (1973). We conclude that it does for at least two independent reasons. First, the law lacks any exception " `for the preservation of the ... health of the mother.' " Casey, 505 U. S., at 879 (joint opinion of O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter, JJ.). Second, it "imposes an undue burden on a woman's ability" to choose a D&E abortion, thereby unduly burdening the right to choose abortion itself. Id., at 874. We shall discuss each of these reasons in turn. " -- Justice Breyer, writing for the 6-3 majority.
Judge Kopf has read case law and made a ruling which is congruent with the law and not based on religion. |
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 10:23:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by gezzam
An update to this topic if anyone cares....
Judge Blocks Partial-Birth Abortion Ban
Apparently the new law signed in by Bush 43 will not let the mother abort the foetus in the third trimester even if there is a risk to herself or the child could be born with severe disabilities.
Any opinions on what Judge Kopf has said?
It's based on established case law.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=US&case=/us/530/914.html
"The question before us is whether Nebraska's statute, making criminal the performance of a "partial birth abortion," violates the Federal Constitution, as interpreted in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833 (1992), and Roe v. Wade, 410 U. S. 113 (1973). We conclude that it does for at least two independent reasons. First, the law lacks any exception " `for the preservation of the ... health of the mother.' " Casey, 505 U. S., at 879 (joint opinion of O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter, JJ.). Second, it "imposes an undue burden on a woman's ability" to choose a D&E abortion, thereby unduly burdening the right to choose abortion itself. Id., at 874. We shall discuss each of these reasons in turn. " -- Justice Breyer, writing for the 6-3 majority.
Judge Kopf has read case law and made a ruling which is congruent with the law and not based on religion.
You never fail me Valiant Dancer.....why can't the media just report that instead of getting hysterical about it? I get all of my opinions on the Good Ole' US of A from your local and some international media (this issue hardly raises an eyebrow here in Oz) which unfortunately due to time constraints is PBS, CNN a little BBC and (*gasp*) FOX News. Also we get an hour or two of NPR on our Government Radio station late at night.
Not one report stated that above fact; O'Rielly and Hannity were going nuts complaining about the audacity of judges overruling precious Bush legislation and others just mentioned it in passing. Is it no wonder the majority of people have any idea what is going on in the world? Even if you have an interest in news and peruse the channels and columns fairly often, you still miss important facts. What hope have soccer Mums and Dads who watch the evening news for their daily news intake? No wonder 70% of Americans believed in the Iraq-9/11 connection. Fair enough, most people are a little apathetic, but the media really has to take some of the blame as well.
However, I log on here and again I learn something. It was my second birthday here yesterday, maybe once I reach adolescence I might be able to post something worthwhile.
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gezzam
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Posted - 11/08/2003 : 12:59:38 [Permalink]
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Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
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Paladin
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2003 : 18:30:54 [Permalink]
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Notice that not one person involved in the ceremony has a vagina or uterus.
True that. But I did notice quite a few pricks and assholes.  |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2003 : 19:30:04 [Permalink]
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Paladin:
True that. But I did notice quite a few pricks and assholes.
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