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Wendy
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 Posted - 08/12/2001 : 00:12:30 [Permalink]
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My mamma always says, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." (It sounds even better if you throw in an accent and add the word "babies" here and there.)
I realize there is no statute to provide for the criminally stupid, but sometimes I think maybe there should be. Everyone who paid her money to tell their future is a little bit smarter than he/she was before. Who says they didn't get their money's worth?
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/16/2001 : 13:42:23 [Permalink]
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My mamma always says, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." (It sounds even better if you throw in an accent and add the word "babies" here and there.)
I realize there is no statute to provide for the criminally stupid, but sometimes I think maybe there should be. Everyone who paid her money to tell their future is a little bit smarter than he/she was before. Who says they didn't get their money's worth?
Wendy Jones
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Oh, puhhlleeessseee!!! Remember the old SNL bit where the guys drive nails through their hands and railroad spikes into their heads and they're amazed when it hurts? This is natural selection. Feeling sorry for the "victims" of Miss Cleo is like feeling sorry for turkeys that drown in the rain. Like the lady herself says, "I con do baad all by m'self." The money they spent is the cost of their education. Clearly she did them a service. Betcha they all learned something.
Wendy Jones
Oh? and let these scam artists just run free - unpunished?
Just how do you spell fraud, Wendy?
Ever hear of the law?
I take it you didn't read the link about the lawsuits filed against these swindlers and their illegal tactics.
My sister in had to fight these scammers on apx. $250 of phone billings to her private phone number that she NEVER made. It took her two billing cycles and numerous phone calls and threats to have the billing charges removed. She's rightfully had concerns about her credit, if these robbers may have mucked around with it. And she lives in the middle of donkey flats, Texas. How much more has this been repeated around the country?
Here's an update on the Missouri suits against Access Resource Services Inc. of Fort Lauderdale, dba - Miss Cleo:
http://www.ago.state.mo.us/080801.htm
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"Nixon said Missouri residents who have never requested services from the psychic hot line have received bills, including dead persons. The Florida business also charged consumers for calls made by minors without first obtaining parental consent even though the hotline advertises that its services are for persons older than 18. The lawsuit (-324K) seeks civil penalties and an injunction to prohibit the business from future violations of Missouri's consumer protection laws."
The more these bastards are hammered in the courts the better; sue 'em into oblivion.
Feeling sorry for their victims has nothing it.
-Randy
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 08/16/2001 : 13:47:34 [Permalink]
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Oh? and let these scam artists just run free - unpunished?
Just how do you spell fraud, Wendy?
Ever hear of the law?
I take it you didn't read the link about the lawsuits filed against these swindlers and their illegal tactics.
My sister in had to fight these scammers on apx. $250 of phone billings to her private phone number that she NEVER made. It took her two billing cycles and numerous phone calls and threats to have the billing charges removed. She's rightfully had concerns about her credit, if these robbers may have mucked around with it. And she lives in the middle of donkey flats, Texas. How much more has this been repeated around the country?
Here's an update on the Missouri suits against Access Resource Services Inc. of Fort Lauderdale, dba - Miss Cleo:
http://www.ago.state.mo.us/080801.htm
......from a link at the site:
"Nixon said Missouri residents who have never requested services from the psychic hot line have received bills, including dead persons. The Florida business also charged consumers for calls made by minors without first obtaining parental consent even though the hotline advertises that its services are for persons older than 18. The lawsuit (-324K) seeks civil penalties and an injunction to prohibit the business from future violations of Missouri's consumer protection laws."
The more these bastards are hammered in the courts the better. Feeling sorry for their victims has nothing it.
-Randy
I heard about the charging people for services not rendered. That is consumer fraud. Actionable by any competent District Attourney. Miss Cleo Know da truf. She gon lef town. If she knows whats good for her. On the other hand, I'd like to see the thief in Club Fed for 10-25.
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Wendy
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/17/2001 : 05:21:36 [Permalink]
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Thank you for the link to an update, Randy. I'm on my way to work right now, but I will make a point to read it over the weekend so that I can make an informed response.
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Wendy
SFN Regular
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614 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2001 : 11:24:33 [Permalink]
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I take it you didn't read the link about the lawsuits filed against these swindlers and their illegal tactics.
You caught me. No, I hadn't, but I have now.
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My sister in had to fight these scammers on apx. $250 of phone billings to her private phone number that she NEVER made.
My question here would be, did a friend or family member make them from her number? If so, IMO her beef is with that person.
I am a firm believer in Caveat Emptor. McDonalds should not have to tell people coffee is hot. Preparation H should not have to tell people not to ingest the product. I am concerned that we are becoming a society too weak to take responsiibility for our own actions.
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"Nixon said Missouri residents who have never requested services from the psychic hot line have received bills, including dead persons.
Okay, I'll admit that's bogus, and those persons (or their estates) are certainly entitled to recover their money.
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The Florida business also charged consumers for calls made by minors without first obtaining parental consent even though the hotline advertises that its services are for persons older than 18.
This issue IMO is between parent and child. My 12-year-old daughter is often mistaken for me on the telephone. I do not believe it is reasonable to expect a telemarketer to be able to identify a minor in every instance. Parents need to take responsiblilty for their children.
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
1990 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2001 : 20:37:59 [Permalink]
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You caught me. No, I hadn't, but I have now.
I had figured as such.
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My question here would be, did a friend or family member make them from her number? If so, IMO her beef is with that person.
Wrong question Wendy, you just insulted my skeptic family. I say again, she never made the calls. Can you not understand this company is a scam and they are being taken to court for their illegal behaviors??
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I am a firm believer in Caveat Emptor. McDonalds should not have to tell people coffee is hot. Preparation H should not have to tell people not to ingest the product. I am concerned that we are becoming a society too weak to take responsiibility for our own actions.
I'm sorry, what? You're changing the subject here.
Did I just read you had read the news link? What does your generalizations above have to do with Missouri's lawsuits against this company?
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This issue IMO is between parent and child. My 12-year-old daughter is often mistaken for me on the telephone. I do not believe it is reasonable to expect a telemarketer to be able to identify a minor in every instance. Parents need to take responsiblilty for their children.
Wendy Jones
Sorry Wendy but the Missouri Attorney General disagrees with you.
If you haven't heard, breaking the law is frowned upon around here. I happen to be quite happy about these assholes getting nailed. Aren't you? |
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Wendy
SFN Regular
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Posted - 08/19/2001 : 05:43:09 [Permalink]
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Wrong question Wendy, you just insulted my skeptic family. I say again, she never made the calls.
I did not insult your family. I asked a question. One you chose not to answer, which is certainly your right.
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I'm sorry, what? You're changing the subject here.
Did I just read you had read the news link? What does your generalizations above have to do with Missouri's lawsuits against this company?
As I said in my previous reply, I am concerned we are becoming a society too weak to take responsibility for our own actions. I believe there are some people who will receive money from this judgment who should not... just as I believe that old woman was unduly compensated for burning herself on Mickie D's coffee.
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Sorry Wendy but the Missouri Attorney General disagrees with you.
The Missouri Attorney General is certainly entitled to disagree with me, as are you.
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I happen to be quite happy about these assholes getting nailed. Aren't you?
Randy, I am always happy when justice is done. You and I have different ideas about what that is in this instance. Wouldn't it be dull here if everyone agreed?
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Randy
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Posted - 08/19/2001 : 10:49:02 [Permalink]
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I did not insult your family. I asked a question. One you chose not to answer, which is certainly your right.
The calls were NOT, I repeat NOT from her residence. Her phone account was charged for calls NOT made! Reread the CNN newslink. It speaks of billings to non-use numbers. Your insenuation that calls were made from her number to psychic services IS insulting. Take my word for it. Drop it.
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"The company also has billed consumers for calls never made..."
My sister nor her family, friends, cats, dogs, plants, or goldfish never made the calls! She, as I stated earlier was harangued by this company for over 12 weeks.
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As I said in my previous reply, I am concerned we are becoming a society too weak to take responsibility for our own actions. I believe there are some people who will receive money from this judgment who should not... just as I believe that old woman was unduly compensated for burning herself on Mickie D's coffee.
Apples and oranges.
You're injecting something OTHER than what this simple topic is about.
THIS IS ABOUT A STATE SUING A COMPANY'S ILLEGAL MARKETING - BILLING TECHNIQUES AND FALSE ADVERTISING!
You're slopping the topic into something entirely different.
Open your own forum and tell us ALL you know about pertainent issues of the McDonald's scalding coffee case, the personal injury AND punitive damages awarded.
Your comparisons here with the McDonald's suit has nothing to do with people's own responsibilites and ILLEGAL business practices with this Access Resource Services Inc. company.
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The Missouri Attorney General is certainly entitled to disagree with me, as are you.
You're pretty much all alone here, I'd say.
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Randy, I am always happy when justice is done. You and I have different ideas about what that is in this instance. Wouldn't it be dull here if everyone agreed?
Wendy, I really don't think you fully read/understand the charges against this sleazy company marketing tactics. How can you defend billings to people AFTER they died, billings to non-use people, illegal calls to registered phone numbers on non-call lists?
Your point about juvenile calls is moot compared to the overall charges.
Missouri's Attorney General charges "94" VIOLATIONS of the law.
And you're just sluffing it all off as "different ideas"?
Sorry Wendy, I just can't take you seriously here.
-Randy
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Wendy
SFN Regular
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614 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2001 : 13:51:24 [Permalink]
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Randy, the following is the definition of insult:
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in·sult (n-slt)
v. in·sult·ed, in·sult·ing, in·sults
v. tr.
To treat with gross insensitivity, insolence, or contemptuous rudeness.
To affront or demean: an absurd speech that insulted the intelligence of the audience.
Obsolete. To make an attack on.
v. intr. Archaic
To behave arrogantly.
To give offense; offend: a speech that was intended to insult.
I asked you a question. I did not insinuate anything. That you chose to perceive my question as an insult is beyond my control. I could read insults into many of your comments to me in this thread, were I so inclined.
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Wendy, I really don't think you fully read/understand the charges against this sleazy company marketing tactics. How can you defend billings to people AFTER they died, billings to non-use people, illegal calls to registered phone numbers on non-call lists?
You omitted this portion of my comments on this subject:
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Okay, I'll admit that's bogus, and those persons (or their estates) are certainly entitled to recover their money.
I'm sure the omission was just an oversight.
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Take my word for it. Drop it.
Randy, I never take a stranger's word for anything. I was under the impression this was an open discussion. I will agree there is no point in you and I debating the issue further, as you seem to lack the ability to be dispassionate on this particular subject.
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Grand Nubian
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 10/10/2001 : 16:21:48 [Permalink]
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If she is going to jail, I'd better get my deck of cards and 900 number. Someone will have to make the money when she's gone.
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James
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/22/2001 : 05:30:26 [Permalink]
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Seems she ain't goin' to jail. I've seen her latest commercials saying that she'll keep doin' it no matter what other people believe.
Anybody got the number of the nearest SWAT team?  
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/22/2001 : 22:40:42 [Permalink]
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I haven't seen the new commercial, but my husband told me about it. He says this commercial is only on late night/early morning, depending on your schedule. I was awakened about 0200 with him yelling at the TV "look you daft cow, you can't bill dead people for phone time!"
People like Hoagland bother me, Miss Cleo really sends Ed around the bend.
Lisa
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2001 : 09:28:15 [Permalink]
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I'd about bet that Miss C. is the most successful, tv grifter ever, . She has a great act and during her 1/2 hour, late night show, she really lays it on (I'm something of an insomniac. I see these things).
I suspect that, if she failed to beat ithe charges, MO gave her a fine that she paid out of her pocket change, then went on walloping the tarot. Does anyone know for sure what happened?
Pity.
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/17/2001 : 13:29:31 [Permalink]
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My mamma always says, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." (It sounds even better if you throw in an accent and add the word "babies" here and there.)
Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott was also fond of this expression (accent and all)... 
-- Donnie B.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2001 : 22:25:45 [Permalink]
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Missouri fined her (or her company, whatever) $75000. You're right, that's pocket change to a company like that. They probably spend more on doughnuts. Now Oklahoma has hit her with a $35 million dollar suit. If successful, that could put a dent in the operation.
Lisa
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