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Dr. Mabuse
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 Posted - 11/02/2003 : 18:17:37
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Ever since I was introduced to news groups in 1992 (rec.music.gaffa) I've tried to adhere to the nettiquette that I was taught back then.
Here on Skeptic Friends Network, there isn't much to complain about, all writers seem pretty good at following them.
But there is one thing that I have learned that some of you seem to be unaware of...
The Nettiquette I was taught "back then" stated that whoever first mentioned the word "Hitler" in a thread automatically lost the discussion, all previous arguments made in the thread declared null-and-void.
Every now and then, more often here on SFN than elsewhere, that name seems to pop up. It would be an interesting sport to see how many can avoid using it when discussions starts to run hot.
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Renae
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Posted - 11/02/2003 : 18:35:08 [Permalink]
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Sorry, Dr. Mea culpa.
It's just hard to read about how The Jews are What's Wrong With The World without Hitler's name popping into my head. |
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
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Posted - 11/02/2003 : 19:20:45 [Permalink]
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| It seems these forums are full of sycophants who'll over-look all kinds of bigotry if it comes from a *regular poster*. |
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tw101356
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/02/2003 : 20:46:10 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by On fire for Christ
It seems these forums are full of sycophants who'll over-look all kinds of bigotry if it comes from a *regular poster*.
Are you complaining that you've been unfairly treated with regard to your bigotry because you're not a regular poster?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/02/2003 : 21:54:38 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse wrote:quote:
The Nettiquette I was taught "back then" stated that whoever first mentioned the word "Hitler" in a thread automatically lost the discussion, all previous arguments made in the thread declared null-and-void.
The above is actually a common misconception of Godwin's Law, which simply states that the longer an Internet discussion gets, the probability of a person comparing someone else to Hilter approaches 1. When it happens, many people try to "invoke Godwin's Law" to discredit their opponent's arguments, but things have usually already progressed far beyond "logical arguments" by the time a Hitler comparison is made. "Invoking Godwin's Law" is no exception, since it is simply an ad hominem of a sneaky sort. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 11/02/2003 : 22:14:03 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
The above is actually a common misconception of Godwin's Law, which simply states that the longer an Internet discussion gets, the probability of a person comparing someone else to Hilter approaches 1. When it happens, many people try to "invoke Godwin's Law" to discredit their opponent's arguments, but things have usually already progressed far beyond "logical arguments" by the time a Hitler comparison is made. "Invoking Godwin's Law" is no exception, since it is simply an ad hominem of a sneaky sort.
Aha...
I don't recall ever hearing it referred to as Godwin's Law. I have obviously misheard or misunderstood how the thing works, or my memory of it has deteriorated to the point where its original meaning was lost.
Either way being the case, there's no point in having any kind of "contest".
Please consider my original posting null-and-void. 
Edit: Thanks to Dave for pointing out my error. Rest easily, knowing that you have helped decreasing my entropy.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/02/2003 : 22:37:54 [Permalink]
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Actually, my statement of Godwin's Law is slightly in error itself, according to the Godwin's Law FAQ. I forgot to include Nazis in general. And Renae's mention of Hitler was a sure thing, anyway, according to this:quote:
Case's Corollary: If the subject is Heinlein or homosexuality, the probability of a Hitler/Nazi comparison being made becomes equal to one.
The subject of the thread was, after all, homosexuality.
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On fire for Christ
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Norway
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Posted - 11/03/2003 : 06:20:51 [Permalink]
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| And general Jew-bashing. Hence the bigotry. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/03/2003 : 06:30:24 [Permalink]
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| O.f.f. Christ: please point out the post or posts in which the appearance of "Jew bashing" bigotry has gone overlooked due to someone being a regular here. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2003 : 08:44:32 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
Actually, my statement of Godwin's Law is slightly in error itself, according to the Godwin's Law FAQ. I forgot to include Nazis in general.
Thanks, that was a great link. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 11/03/2003 : 10:48:49 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by On fire for Christ
It seems these forums are full of sycophants who'll over-look all kinds of bigotry if it comes from a *regular poster*.
Snake is a regular poster. Snake's comments are not going unopposed.
Or are you saying that the response is inadequate. Somehow equating lack of response to Snake's absurd comments as a blanket endorsement of her views. This is logically invalid under nonsupport. The minds of the people on this board cannot be determined by what they do not do. Only by their positive actions. Some people have given up arguing with Snake because she will not shift her position in the face of evidence that solidly refutes her position. Some people do not read the Social Issues sub board. Some users in the user list signed on once and then never came back.
Since the posting of Snake is opposed, but not squelched through banning, one may gather that the exchange of ideas is unhindered as long as it furthers the discussion. |
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rantanplan
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Posted - 11/03/2003 : 14:31:51 [Permalink]
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ok I guess I don t understand what s the meaning of making statistics of the comparisons made to Hitler or not...
apparently all people tend to remember the historic persons who did very grauce things, because such persons and their acts shock people thats why they remember them, so hitler was one of them, so people tend to refer to him when they want to give an example of racism
but at least in the greek forums,that i visit noone refers to hitler just because he wants to insult someone or because the discussion is just heated when it isnt related to the theme!!!
and also in live discussions very rarely have i heard someone referring to hitler when there is no relation to the topic, e.x. jews!!
ma kala allh doyleia den exoyme apo to na bgazoyme statistikes??!!hmarton!!! |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 11/03/2003 : 16:27:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
And general Jew-bashing. Hence the bigotry.
I have witnessed many literalist Christians, aka Bible-thumpers/fundies, taking any kind of critisism against the state of Israel (and in the extension, Jews) very seriously, at the point of being absurd. In their eyes, critisising Israel is just as blasphemous as saying Jesus was/is not the son of God.
My guess is that O.f.f. Christ is just as sensetive about Jews as most Fundies(tm), hence his strong reaction. Obviously, this makes him just as big a bigot as the rest of us. Perhaps even more so. If Snake had said Arabs instead of Jews, O.f.f. Christ wouldn't have shouted bigotry. I base that conclusion from comparing his posts with the general attitudes I've read on Rapture Ready, which have lots of Fundies(tm) to compare with. |
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Dave W.
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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 11/03/2003 : 17:50:33 [Permalink]
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"My guess is that O.f.f. Christ is just as sensetive about Jews as most Fundies(tm), hence his strong reaction. Obviously, this makes him just as big a bigot as the rest of us. Perhaps even more so. If Snake had said Arabs instead of Jews, O.f.f. Christ wouldn't have shouted bigotry. I base that conclusion from comparing his posts with the general attitudes I've read on Rapture Ready, which have lots of Fundies(tm) to compare with."
Well you're wrong. I despise any kind of racism, prejudice or bigotry. So don't stereotype me please.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 11/03/2003 : 18:20:06 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by On fire for Christ
Well you're wrong. I despise any kind of racism, prejudice or bigotry. So don't stereotype me please.
Ok, so I'm wrong.
You were asked: Are you complaining that you've been unfairly treated with regard to your bigotry because you're not a regular poster?
Then you wrote: And general Jew-bashing. Hence the bigotry.
Dave W wrote: please point out the post or posts in which the appearance of "Jew bashing" bigotry has gone overlooked due to someone being a regular here.
As long as you refrain from answering these questions, what conclusion can we draw, other than you are uncomfortable with the answer? |
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