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Dave W.
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 Posted - 11/03/2003 : 18:34:32 [Permalink]
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O.f.f. Christ wrote:quote:
Well you're wrong. I despise any kind of racism, prejudice or bigotry. So don't stereotype me please.
Well, telling people they're going to hell for not celebrating Christmas as you deem correct is, indeed, prejudice. And, while we're at it, saying so (and your choice of user name) puts you into square in the norm of the Fundamentalist Christian stereotype. |
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Deborah
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/03/2003 : 22:37:12 [Permalink]
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I knew approving O.f.f. Christ as a member was going to generate some debate in the forums. As long as it doesn't get ugly and disrespectful, I'll feel good about hitting the approve button because I believe that mature adults can discuss their point of views and agree to disagree.
O.f.f. Christ: This forum is full of regulars. Some of us have known each other for a decade or longer. We do show a little more flexibility for those who have proven that their character is worthy of being a member of SFN. You are not in a forum where people, as a rule, have uneducated opinions or discussions. Occasionally, people make poor choices in how they respond, but we are all comfortable enough with each other to hold each other accountable for our occassional error(s) in judgement or misinformation.
Rather than coming here and criticizing someone who did not make a direct comment to you, try to understand the culture you have chosen to subject yourself to. If you are here to discuss and debate, you will be welcomed, but if you are here to preach AT the members and not engage in two-way conversation you will not be very popular.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 13:43:09 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Deborah
I knew approving O.f.f. Christ as a member was going to generate some debate in the forums. As long as it doesn't get ugly and disrespectful, I'll feel good about hitting the approve button because I believe that mature adults can discuss their point of views and agree to disagree.
I never realized that all members had to be approved...
Are you just screening usernames for profanities, or are there more criteria? At Microsoft Gaming Zone chat where I used Mabuse as a username, some nit-wit suggested it had something to do with abuse. My username was reported and any instances of 'abuse' was subsequently blocked. |
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Deborah
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/08/2003 : 10:41:59 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Deborah:
I knew approving O.f.f. Christ as a member was going to generate some debate in the forums. As long as it doesn't get ugly and disrespectful, I'll feel good about hitting the approve button because I believe that mature adults can discuss their point of views and agree to disagree.
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Dr. Mabuse:
I never realized that all members had to be approved...
Are you just screening usernames for profanities, or are there more criteria? At Microsoft Gaming Zone chat where I used Mabuse as a username, some nit-wit suggested it had something to do with abuse. My username was reported and any instances of 'abuse' was subsequently blocked.
New members have to be activated before they can start posting. |
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@tomic
Administrator
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Posted - 11/11/2003 : 20:17:56 [Permalink]
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Members don't have to approved. The system is more or less automated. Members are often left "pending" because their mailboxes are full when they are sent their activation link, they are an AOL member that doesn't know how to copy the entire link and repaste into a browser or sometimes they have given a bad email address.
All we require is a valid email address to join. There are no name filters or anything like that.
On Fire was activated, perhaps prematurely, because of some difficulty in this process. Not having a valid email address can cause one to lose their account if they somehow forget their password and can't have it emailed to them. We'll never just give a password out to someone which is why we require this one simple criteria to be met.
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 04:46:57 [Permalink]
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"Well, telling people they're going to hell for not celebrating Christmas as you deem correct is, indeed, prejudice."
Why? My beliefs are not prejudice, I don't call you prejudiced for believing we all rot in the ground for an eternity. Anyone can become a Christian and save their soul, regardless of current religion, race or creed, its not prejudice at all for me to actually speak up for what I believe in even if it doesn't fall into line with your personal outlook.
"And, while we're at it, saying so (and your choice of user name) puts you into square in the norm of the Fundamentalist Christian stereotype."
So this board is all about reinforcing stereotypes? And >I< am labelled prejudice? Good job guys. I don't see how being a passionate Christian makes me a fundimentalist. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 05:16:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
My beliefs are not prejudice, I don't call you prejudiced for believing we all rot in the ground for an eternity.
In this case I do not agree with Dave. There must be other, more fitting descriptions. Bloody arrogant comes into mind.
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"And, while we're at it, saying so (and your choice of user name) puts you into square in the norm of the Fundamentalist Christian stereotype."
So this board is all about reinforcing stereotypes? And >I< am labelled prejudice? Good job guys. I don't see how being a passionate Christian makes me a fundimentalist.
Do you believe that the Bible is:
a) the literal, infallible word of God, or
b) just a human interpretation of God's will?
Do you believe Genesis tells:
a) The Truth when it says all creation was completed in six days, about 6000 years ago, or
b) an allegorical description of how the world came to be, where the time factor has less relevance?
Do you believe that the Bible:
a) has remained exactly the same since it was first written down by Moses and the other authors, or
b) has been subject to change through spelling/copying errors, mis-translation due to language drift, and interpretations made by translators, where old words have gotten new meanings thus potentially changing the contents of the translated/copied work?
Do you believe that the government should:
a) use the Bible as a guideline for making laws, and that schools should teach all children to be good Christians, or
b) remain secular, and that no person working for the government should be allowed to use any body of the government to promote belief in Jesus Christ.
Do you believe that The theory of biological evolution:
a) denies you your personal belief in God or
b) can work without interfering with your belief
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 06:23:12 [Permalink]
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Renae
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 06:48:57 [Permalink]
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On Fire, can I ask a serious question? Okay, two questions. 
Do you believe that the millions of Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims (and those choosing any religion other than Christianity) are literally going to hell?
And a follow-up question: Do you see any traces of judgmentalism, intolerance, or bigotry in thinking that one religion is The Truth?
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 06:52:05 [Permalink]
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| If you don't believe your religion or lack thereof is The Truth, then you are really wasting your time by following it. If that qualifies as bigotry in your book, then I guess we're all bigots. |
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Renae
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 07:38:57 [Permalink]
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I disagree completely, On Fire. You see, you have no way--NO way--of knowing if your religion is The Truth. You have only your experiences and beliefs, which is all any of us has.
Even science doesn't give us the truth; it gives us evidence.
One of my most important life lessons: there is no Truth, OFFC. We have only our personal truth, and we owe it to others to remember that they have their personal truth as well.
Please don't become one of those Christians who is long on judgmentalism and intolerance and short on compassion, okay? Please? You're veering into that black/white, all-or-nothing thinking. The world is complex and often quite gray.
You can be 1000% sure of your beliefs and discover that you are 1000% WRONG. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 07:55:52 [Permalink]
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bigot
SYLLABICATION: big·ot
NOUN: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
ETYMOLOGY: French, from Old French.
WORD HISTORY: Bigots may have more in common with God than one might think. Legend has it that Rollo, the first duke of Normandy, refused to kiss the foot of the French king Charles III, uttering the phrase bi got, his borrowing of the assumed Old English equivalent of our expression by God. Although this story is almost surely apocryphal, it is true that bigot was used by the French as a term of abuse for the Normans, but not in a religious sense. Later, however, the word, or very possibly a homonym, was used abusively in French for the Beguines, members of a Roman Catholic lay sisterhood. From the 15th century on Old French bigot meant “an excessively devoted or hypocritical person.” Bigot is first recorded in English in 1598 with the sense “a superstitious hypocrite.”
tolerant
SYLLABICATION: tol·er·ant
PRONUNCIATION: tlr-nt
ADJECTIVE: 1. Inclined to tolerate the beliefs, practices, or traits of others; forbearing. See synonyms at broad-minded. 2. Able to withstand or endure an adverse environmental condition: plants tolerant of extreme heat.
ETYMOLOGY: French tolérant, from Latin tolerns, present participle of tolerre, to bear. See tolerate.
OTHER FORMS: toler·ant·ly —ADVERB
Would one who condemns others to eternal torture be considered "tolerant?" |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2003 : 08:17:54 [Permalink]
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O.f.f. Christ wrote:quote:
Why? My beliefs are not prejudice, I don't call you prejudiced for believing we all rot in the ground for an eternity. Anyone can become a Christian and save their soul, regardless of current religion, race or creed, its not prejudice at all for me to actually speak up for what I believe in even if it doesn't fall into line with your personal outlook.
Perhaps 'prejudice' was too strong a word, but isn't it a very premature judgement to tell other people that they're going to be punished for eternity because they don't share the same beliefs that you do? Isn't such judgement reserved for God, anyway?
Of course, there's a rather large difference between our outlooks. My view of what happens after one dies involves neither reward nor punishement, and so carries no moral judgement. My view is egalitarian, where all people, regardless of their beliefs at any point in their lives, meet the same fate. Calling that 'prejudice' would be simply wrong, since there's no judgement involved at all.
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So this board is all about reinforcing stereotypes? And >I< am labelled prejudice? Good job guys. I don't see how being a passionate Christian makes me a fundimentalist.
I didn't say that you are a Fundamentalist, I said that your posts make you look like a Fundamentalist. I'm not trying to reinforce the stereotype, I'm just pointing this out: You appeared to be trying to reinforce the stereotype by playing right into it, while simultaneously decrying sterotyping. Of course, your recent answers to Dr. Mabuse's question bust you out of that particular stereotype completely.
Though I've gotta ask: what is it about evolution which denies you your personal belief in God? Why do you think it affect your beliefs at all, especially in light of the fact that you don't believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis?
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
1273 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2003 : 08:56:51 [Permalink]
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Would one who condemns others to eternal torture be considered "tolerant?"
I don't see why not. I seem to be a lot better at tolerating other people's beliefs than you people do. Intolerance would imply I cannot live with or around people from other religions, which is untrue. I'm not the guy blaming Jews for half the problems in the world am I? |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2003 : 09:18:13 [Permalink]
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| I don't see why it's a good idea to be tolerant of "beliefs." I would think it would be better to be accepting of people and not be tolerant of "beliefs." Who needs "beliefs?" I try to lose them if I find them. I still have them, I'm sure, but I do try to lose them. "Beliefs" are dangerous. Thinking is a better idea. Thinking based on the evidence at hand. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
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