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Dr. Mabuse
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Phobos
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 Posted - 01/30/2004 : 13:32:36 [Permalink]
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Just a proposed rewording so far, according to the article. Just part of Georgia's (and many other state's) history of creationists trying to get evolution out of science classrooms. Hopefully, there is a public outcry against the proposal, but I'm not holding my breath on that.
FWIW, it seems that just about every state has some similar kind of debate going on....some reaching the high courts.
It's bad (if you're pro-science, that is). |
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Renae
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 13:49:30 [Permalink]
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&*^%$#@$%^&*())(*&^%%
*thanks Jebus she doesn't live in Georgia*
What, pray tell, do they teach INSTEAD of evolution? I sincerely wanna know. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 13:58:08 [Permalink]
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Bobby Franklin got it right:quote:
"It's stupid. It's like teaching gravity without using the word gravity."
By the way, my first thought when reading the title of this thread was, "well, I bet the students are evolving just fine."  |
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Renae
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 14:13:59 [Permalink]
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The more I think about this, the more annoyed I get.
It's obviously a pathetic attempt to kiss the religious right's collective hiney. It doesn't even make any sense.
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Jarrid
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 15:53:49 [Permalink]
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| Ok, I'm still a creationist, but I think that is the most retarded thing I've heard....it's still teaching evolution, just not using the word...how silly:P |
I don't have to go swimming through an outhouse to know I wouldn't like it." |
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Randy
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USA
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 16:20:36 [Permalink]
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Check this out, from our warm and fuzzy friend, Jimmy Carter...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/01/30/georgia.evolution/index.html
Carter slams Georgia's 'evolution' proposal.
ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Former President Jimmy Carter said Friday he was embarrassed by the Georgia Department of Education proposal to eliminate the word "evolution" from the state's curriculum.
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Way to go, Jimmy! |
"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 16:37:53 [Permalink]
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This comes as a suprise, how?
dig it:
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If we understand our own times, we will know that we should affirm the reality of God by challenging the domination of materialism and naturalism in the world of the mind. With the assistance of many friends I have developed a strategy for doing this,...We call our strategy the "wedge." --Phillip E. Johnson [1]
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/barbara_forrest/wedge.html
And merrily we roll along on the road to organized ignorance. 
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Randy
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USA
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 17:01:11 [Permalink]
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quote:
And merrily we roll along on the road to organized ignorance.
Ha! Filthy, you should be a writer for Despair.com. Great product line...
http://www.despair.com/indem.html |
"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson |
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Randy
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 17:07:03 [Permalink]
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This just in. Pass it around!
http://www.petitiononline.com/gasci04/petition.html |
"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson |
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Paladin
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 19:45:55 [Permalink]
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Actually, the Associated Press article that's found on most of the major online news outlets doesn't tell the entire story. According to the piece,
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...Cox repeatedly referred to evolution as a "buzzword" Thursday and said the ban was proposed, in part, to alleviate pressure on teachers in socially conservative areas where parents object to its teaching.
This would give readers the impression that Ms. Cox is only looking out for the state's teachers or, at worst, bowing to political or ideological pressure from the religious right.
But the portrait of Ms. Cox's motives offered in the article doesn't truthfully represent her position on the issue. In an article in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Ms. Cox seems to hint that this is only the first step in introducing the teaching of 'intelligent design' in the Georgia curriculum.
And, according to Americans United for Separation of Church and State,
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...The Journal-Constitution reported that Superintendent Cox supported the teaching of creationism in Cobb County, Ga., public schools. Asked about the issue in 2002, Cox said "it was a good thing for parents and the community to stand up and say we want out children exposed to this [creationism] idea as well."
No doubt Superintendent Cox believes she's fooling a lot of people with this supposedly innocent and innocuous little change in the state's science guidelines. But hopefully, enough people will make the effort to learn the truth about this latest attempt to undermine science instruction for the sake of ideology. 
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 20:04:24 [Permalink]
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Ah, so filthy is right, and Ms. Cox is just trying to drive in the Wedge. On the plus side, it appears that at least a few Georgia Creationists think it's a stupid idea, too.
Next thing you know, the Flat Earthers will be petitioning school boards to not teach using the word "sphere." |
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the_ignored
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 20:27:42 [Permalink]
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And of course, the creationists have to get their digs in...although this is talking about something different, it does show a remarkable amount of "playing to the public" and "playing the victim of prejudice" in here.
Too bad that it appears that Dr. Bert Thompson is apparently the dishonest one.... |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
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> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
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What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 22:10:03 [Permalink]
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Well, dang. Creationists Fight Back! (the_ignored's first link) implies, in its introductory note, that the full text will be presenting scientific evidence for special Creation:quote:
No amount of pejorative terminology on the part of editors and journalists is going to make the scientific evidence supporting creation somehow "disappear."
It was tremendously disappointing to find that a good 90% of the article does nothing but present bad "refutations" of evolution, with every tired old argument, up to and including the conflation of the evolution of the universe with the evolution of life on Earth. It is only at the end that we find the authors presenting their case:quote:
...Second, evolutionists constantly complain that creationists are unable to support their own case with scientific evidence. Instead, all creationists can do is attack the evolutionist's case with "negative evidence." "Why don't creationists have any scientific evidence to support their case?," goes the old refrain? [sic]
Evolutionists who ought to know better carelessly parrot this tired old argument. In multiple debates with evolutionists, creation scientists have affirmed piece after piece of positive evidence for the creation model.
Affirming evidence seems much like affirming one's faith in God. If God doesn't exist, affirming one's faith is meaningless. Ditto for affirming evidence for special creation.quote:
Pieces of evidence from the various fields of science are piled one on top of the other to make the strongest possible case for creation. In fact, entire books have been written on the subject (see, for example, Morris and Parker, 1987; Thompson, 2002).
The two books cited are, respectively, What is Creation Science and The Scientific Case for Creation, neither of which I have access to as of this writing.quote:
Creationists continually point out to evolutionists that the law of biogenesis states explicitly that life comes only from life of its kind, and that this law is the cornerstone of all biology.
The only people I've ever heard cite a "law of biogenesis" are the Creationists themselves. I believe this "law" is an utter fabrication, but am quite willing to be referred to evidence that professional biologists use the term. Secondly, no Creationist has ever provided a working definition of what a "kind" is. As such, this is hardly positive evidence.quote:
Creationists continually point out that the fossil record is replete with gaps, and is devoid of the transitional forms that evolution must have if it is to preserve its case.
Pointing out a lack of something is rarely, if ever, positive evidence. This is, of course, aside from the fact that it is mostly Creationists who deny that there are transitional fossils (along with the occassional decades-old quote from a biologist, ignoring more-recent work).quote: |
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Woody D
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Thailand
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 23:28:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
By brother mailed me this article.
Looks like the Evolution is being removed because
of politial correctness or something.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/01/30/striking.evolution.ap/
"ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- The state's school superintendent has proposed striking the word evolution from Georgia's science curriculum and replacing it with the phrase "biological changes over time."
That sounds find to me. In fact it sounds better, a better discription of what happens.
The word 'evolution' is a bit over used anyway. |
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Maverick
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Sweden
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Posted - 01/31/2004 : 03:02:24 [Permalink]
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| Science shouldn't have to do with what some nutcases think is politically correct. Religion does not belong in science classroom, and if they manage to remove enough science and replace it with religion, they will deliberately destroy the education for too many people. The future will be very dark if they manage to affirm the public's science illiteracy even more. The lines between religion and science will be blurred even more, people will think that science is religion and religion is science, and that one can simply choose what is true and what is not. "The Demonhaunted World" should be obligatory as early as possible in school. Maybe it could save a few from superstition and religion. |
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