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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  07:28:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
My dad is a creation scientist and I know that is going to upset Dr. Sassafrass...but he says evolution if correct is like throwing 100 pennies in the air and having them all land heads!!!! And I believe him of my own free will, I have looked at evolution and dismissed it as garbage. What are the chances of 100 pennies landing heads? Almost zero. I don't know what rocket scientist funded all you evolutions but that fella must be rich.
You don't have to be a "rocket-scientist" to see how your "100-pennies-throw" example is flawed.
If you really understood ANYTHING about the evolution you looked at, you would realize why the 100-pennies-throw is a false analogy of evolution.
I will not tell you how the analogy is flawed. If you got more than two brain-cells and have done Evolution101 you should be able to figure it out on your own.
Write the answer here, and show us that you have at least some capacity for independent thought. Even parrots can be taught to say "Creationism is right, Evolution is wrong" but they will never understand that they are wrong, much less why...

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filthy
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  08:19:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Well, being as how this thread has pretty much gone to pot anyway, let's take a look at what's inside that smelly, ol' thunder mug:

quote:
One of the things which disproves the global flood are the minor normal activities of life and living which are abundantly clear in the fossil record. Today we will discuss coprolites or fossilized feces.

Coprolites comes from the Greek word, kopros, meaning dung. We find lots of dung in the fossil record and it says many things about the global flood and its impossibility. First, it says that the world could not be flooded by water all the time, because the animals would not be able to find food and after about 5 days, most animals would not have anything left in their digestive tracks. This means that as the flood went on, from the time when the Cambrian strata were deposited, on up to the Permian (half way through the flood) and into the Cretaceous and Tertiary (late in the flood deposition), there should be no vertebrate dung because the world had been flooded for more than 6 months by then. To find coprolites in the later sediments of the flood, means that the animal ate within 5 days of when he eliminated.


http://home.entouch.net/dmd/bathroom.htm

There is a photo of a petrified turtle turd included.

I strongly reccommend reading the whole thing. It is excellent. It was researched and written by Glenn Morton, an oil field geologest and ex-YEC.


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verlch
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  11:20:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Strangely enough Pterosaurs which were very strong flyers did not make it to the mountains. These light weight creatures are only found in strata with the massive dinosaurs. Not one of these animals is found in conjunctions with mammals or modern birds.
I bet the odds of that happening would be the same as throwing a hand full of pennies in the air and having them all land heads up!


http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_08.html

How do you explain that many of the fossilized birds have the same structure in the bones as modern birds?

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_09.html

Dino bird proven to be a fake!!!

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_10.html

Yes why have things not changed that much? OR at all for that matter?

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_11.html

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_12.html

See the horse gradually growing!! What does that mean? I don't get it?

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_13.html

In order for the bat to work properly all its systems have to be in place!!!! Nothing gradually happens there!

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_14.html

That is why I don't like evolution, it tells stories of how things should be, and you fellas have to regard them as fact.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Maverick
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Sweden
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  11:30:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Maverick a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

http://www.nature.com/nsu/030120/030120-7.html

Yes a four winged bird, you would think that was evolving? No? Why are there not six winged birds now and why is that one gone? I mean if things are evolving who makes the calls and sets the boundries?

My dad is a creation scientist and I know that is going to upset Dr. Sassafrass...but he says evolution if correct is like throwing 100 pennies in the air and having them all land heads!!!! And I believe him of my own free will, I have looked at evolution and dismissed it as garbage. What are the chances of 100 pennies landing heads? Almost zero. I don't know what rocket scientist funded all you evolutions but that fella must be rich.

http://www.icr.org/pubs/btg-b/btg-003b.htm

There you have it debate over....Lol...Jk'ing...


A creationist with faulty arguments? Now I've seen everything. But, seriously, as we all know, throwing money around has little to do with evolution. So why even bring it up? Two reasons: 1) One does not know better (and that is ok, I know very little about biology too), or, 2) One is lying (which is a bit worse).

"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan
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verlch
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  11:37:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy

Well, being as how this thread has pretty much gone to pot anyway, let's take a look at what's inside that smelly, ol' thunder mug:

quote:
One of the things which disproves the global flood are the minor normal activities of life and living which are abundantly clear in the fossil record. Today we will discuss coprolites or fossilized feces.

Coprolites comes from the Greek word, kopros, meaning dung. We find lots of dung in the fossil record and it says many things about the global flood and its impossibility. First, it says that the world could not be flooded by water all the time, because the animals would not be able to find food and after about 5 days, most animals would not have anything left in their digestive tracks. This means that as the flood went on, from the time when the Cambrian strata were deposited, on up to the Permian (half way through the flood) and into the Cretaceous and Tertiary (late in the flood deposition), there should be no vertebrate dung because the world had been flooded for more than 6 months by then. To find coprolites in the later sediments of the flood, means that the animal ate within 5 days of when he eliminated.


http://home.entouch.net/dmd/bathroom.htm

There is a photo of a petrified turtle turd included.

I strongly reccommend reading the whole thing. It is excellent. It was researched and written by Glenn Morton, an oil field geologest and ex-YEC.





It just proves things are buried really quickly!!!! Nothing less.

Yes and I am sure the turtle hasn't changed any to modern turtles!!!

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  11:48:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
Also, I read somewhere that our galaxy is on a collision course toward Andromeda -- someone correct me if I recall that wrong.


And you said I had a doomsday attitude! So where is that comet or Astroid coming from ?

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Maverick
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Sweden
385 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2004 :  12:20:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Maverick a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Also, I read somewhere that our galaxy is on a collision course toward Andromeda -- someone correct me if I recall that wrong.


And you said I had a doomsday attitude! So where is that comet or Astroid coming from ?


This collision with the Andromeda galaxy will be a very slow one and will not affect us in any other way than the nightsky will change over millions of years... as far as I know.

"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  12:45:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
verlch wrote:
quote:
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_08.html

How do you explain that many of the fossilized birds have the same structure in the bones as modern birds?
Here, you are making the claim that modern birds should not have a similar structure to ancient birds if evolution is true. Upon what do premises do you base this claim that evolutionary theories state that life must change?
quote:
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_09.html

Dino bird proven to be a fake!!!
Yes, proven to be a fake by scientists, and not Bible scholars. National Geographic got a black eye over rushing to press with that crap, which only one scientist - as far as I can tell - accepted as real.
quote:
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_10.html

Yes why have things not changed that much? OR at all for that matter?
At all? You appear to ignore the fact that many species have gone extinct. If that's not change, what is?
quote:
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_11.html

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_12.html

See the horse gradually growing!! What does that mean? I don't get it?
Indeed, you do not get it. Would you like someone to explain it to you?
quote:
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_13.html

In order for the bat to work properly all its systems have to be in place!!!! Nothing gradually happens there!
The "irreducible complexity" argument is old and tired. It is based upon nothing more than a lack of imagination. Plus, the fact that bats appear "suddenly" in the fossil record, and "fully formed," does not mean that they must have been specially created. Such reasoning would lead me to believe that you, verlch, did not exist more than a year ago.
quote:
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_14.html

That is why I don't like evolution, it tells stories of how things should be, and you fellas have to regard them as fact.
That's why I don't like the Bible. It tells stories of how things should be, contradictory to what I can see with my own eyes.

For example, the Bible says that people should love one another unconditionally, but radical Christians continue to show their hate for people who have ideas with which they don't agree, and then they claim to walk in Jesus' footsteps. Such hypocrisy fills me with disgust.

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furshur
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  12:50:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
Verlich left this coprolite:
quote:
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_14.html

That is why I don't like evolution, it tells stories of how things should be, and you fellas have to regard them as fact.

Which said among other things
quote:
In many evolutionist sources, it is asserted that the ancestors of cetaceans left the land and evolved into marine mammals over a long period of time. Accordingly, marine mammals followed a path contrary to the transition from water to land, and underwent a second evolutionary process, returning to the water. This theory both lacks paleontological evidence and is self-contradictory.

First, I would say that ALL 'evolutionists' assert that cetaceans left the land for the water.
Secondly, do these people have no idea about evolution? Moving from the land to the water is contrary? I thought evolution meant that animals take advantage of an environmental niche.
Whales underwent a second evolutionary process??? What the hell is that suppose to mean?


If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  13:40:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
These facts once more indicate for certain that neither Archaeopteryx nor other ancient birds similar to it were transitional forms. The fossils do not indicate that different bird species evolved from each other. On the contrary, the fossil record proves that today's modern birds and some archaic birds such as Archaeopteryx actually lived together at the same time. It is true that some of these bird species, such as Archaeopteryx and Confuciusornis, have become extinct, but the fact that only some of the species that once existed have been able to survive down to the present day does not in itself support the theory of evolution.


This does not refute evolution and it certainly supports an old earth.

quote:
A yet more sensational case of dino-bird hype broke out in 1999. In its November 1999 issue, National Geographic published an article about a fossil specimen unearthed in China which was claimed to bear both bird and dinosaur features. National Geographic writer Christopher P. Sloan, the author of the article, went so far as to claim, "we can now say that birds are theropods just as confidently as we say that humans are mammals." This species, which was said to have lived 125 million years ago, was immediately given the scientific name Archaeoraptor liaoningensis. \l "139"


However, the fossil was a fake and was skillfully constructed from five separate specimens. A group of researchers, among whom were also three paleontologists, proved the forgery one year later with the help of X-ray computed tomography. The dino-bird was actually the product of a Chinese evolutionist. Chinese amateurs formed the dino-bird by using glue and cement from 88 bones and stones. Research suggests that Archaeoraptor was built from the front part of the skeleton of an ancient bird, and that its body and tail included bones from four different specimens.



This one I mentioned earlier in the thread. NG got excited and published it before it had been examined by the pros. It was the property of a private collector at the time. One notes that it was a paleontologist who made the discovery, not some creationist. Science correcting it's own mistakes, as usual.

quote:
Creatures such as spiders, ticks, and millipedes are not insects, but rather belong to other subphyla of Arthropoda. Important fossil discoveries of these creatures were communicated to the 1983 annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The interesting thing about these 380-million-year-old spider, tick, and centipede fossils is the fact that they are no different from specimens alive today. One of the scientists who examined the fossils remarked that, "they looked like they might have died yesterday." \l "143"
Winged insects also emerge suddenly in the fossil record, and with all the features peculiar to them. For example, a large number of dragonfly fossils from the Pennsylvanian Age have been found. And these dragonflies have exactly the same structures as their counterparts today.



And this proves exactly what? The horseshoe crab has also changed little if any from it's Devonian ancestors. Evolution will keep a good design as long as the animal fits in it's ecological niche. It is interesting to note that some species of beetle's wings are useless due to the outer wing cases being fused.


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filthy
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  13:49:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:


It just proves things are buried really quickly!!!! Nothing less.

Yes and I am sure the turtle hasn't changed any to modern turtles!!!



Ah yes, but buried very quickly, when? Open the link and read.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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filthy
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  13:54:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Also, I read somewhere that our galaxy is on a collision course toward Andromeda -- someone correct me if I recall that wrong.


And you said I had a doomsday attitude! So where is that comet or Astroid coming from ?


Do you ever read anything in it's entirity? It'll be a few billion years before our cosmic fender bender.

Do a search and you will see that galaxies often collide. There's some good pics from Hubble as well.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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Randy
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Posted - 05/24/2004 :  17:18:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2039&whichpage=1
Here's a recent thread on the the galaxy hit and runs.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a press release a few months ago about our very own Milky Way is in process of cannibalizing two smaller irregular galaxies, the Small and Large Magellan clouds?
Also recently stated that our galactic neighbor Andromeda has 'two' nebuli in its center. One of its own, and of another 'consumed' lesser galaxy.
Yum-yum.

Lots of pics on the web of colliding galaxies, in various stages of collision. Old news. Astronomers say during these tremendous collisions, there's never really any stars colliding, if any, due to incredible distances involved (our nearest neighbor star Proxima Centauri in our own galaxy is only around 25 trillion miles close).

Deep space images have captured colliding galaxies all over the place, in all types of 'disfigurement'. Some events literally tear both galaxies apart, casting them into bizarre shapes, while some other collisions 'look' like a galactic ballet, if you like.

Imagine the hay-wire of gravitation effects during these incredible events.

Now, on to more important things...what's in the fridge?

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson
Edited by - Randy on 05/24/2004 17:19:42
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/25/2004 :  08:35:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Also, I read somewhere that our galaxy is on a collision course toward Andromeda -- someone correct me if I recall that wrong.


And you said I had a doomsday attitude! So where is that comet or Astroid coming from ?

Obviously, since the article about our galaxy on a "collision course toward Andromeda" was probably written by an Evolutionist, I guess you only read the headline and dismissed the rest of the article just like one should expect from any Good Christian, since scientists are employed by Satan to turn the Faithful away from the glory of God, right?

If you had read the article of which you saw the headline, you would have been informed that it was talking about M31, the galaxy in the constellation of Andromeda, and not a comet or asteroid.

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verlch
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Also, I read somewhere that our galaxy is on a collision course toward Andromeda -- someone correct me if I recall that wrong.


And you said I had a doomsday attitude! So where is that comet or Astroid coming from ?

Obviously, since the article about our galaxy on a "collision course toward Andromeda" was probably written by an Evolutionist, I guess you only read the headline and dismissed the rest of the article just like one should expect from any Good Christian, since scientists are employed by Satan to turn the Faithful away from the glory of God, right?

If you had read the article of which you saw the headline, you would have been informed that it was talking about M31, the galaxy in the constellation of Andromeda, and not a comet or asteroid.



Well While I was worshiping Mother Universe and praising her intellect, Satan came to me as an angel of light. He told me some day I could become a god after I knew both good and evil. He also said I should not surely die, so I believed him, since he never lies!

I suppose science can tell me whats going to happen 1 billin years from now. Since they can't agree on what happened 4,500 years ago...I'm all ears.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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