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1: And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me.
2: Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.
3: And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
4: And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.
5: Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
6: He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.
7: And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.
8: Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.
9: And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.
10: So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.
11: And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.
12: Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.
13: He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
14: Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
15: Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16: And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17: Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18: Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.
http://www.giveshare.org/BibleStudy/185.babylon.html
In Ezekiel 8:5 you see lots of things Isreal was doing in secret, and they speculate that at the entrance might be an obelisk!!
I wonder what goes on under the Washington Monument in D.C.???? Probubly all kinds of abominations!! The Washington Monument is 555 ft tall with a 111 foot deep foundation, thus making it 666. Again I have no proof I heard that also Masons built it!
http://www.outsiderart.info/apocalypticart/towers.htm
Hmmm interesting!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Valiant Dancer
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1: And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me.
2: Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.
3: And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
4: And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.
5: Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
6: He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.
7: And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.
8: Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.
9: And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.
10: So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.
11: And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.
12: Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.
13: He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
14: Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
15: Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16: And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17: Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18: Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.
http://www.giveshare.org/BibleStudy/185.babylon.html
In Ezekiel 8:5 you see lots of things Isreal was doing in secret, and they speculate that at the entrance might be an obelisk!!
I wonder what goes on under the Washington Monument in D.C.???? Probubly all kinds of abominations!! The Washington Monument is 555 ft tall with a 111 foot deep foundation, thus making it 666. Again I have no proof I heard that also Masons built it!
http://www.outsiderart.info/apocalypticart/towers.htm
Hmmm interesting!!!
Since the Washington Monument is made of stone, masons did build it.
Now are you saying masons (the proper classification for all stone and brick layers) and mean Freemasons? If so, then you could say Freemasons had a hand in it's building because it was erected in honor of a Freemason.
Please don't bore us with the unsupported "Freemasons are evil" arguement. That has been brought up and refuted soundly, already.
Freemasonry is a set of philanthropic individuals whose only membership requirements are a belief in a higher power and want to help others. They also worked for societal change towards representative republics after their founding. They have been demonized by radical Evangelical fundamentalist Christians by associating them with the Bavarian Illuminati (1776 - 1800) who attempted societal change by violence. Some of these same individuals claim that the Freemasons are anti-Christian based on some of their members being thwarted in prostelyzation of their faith and insistance that their faith be the only one in a Freemason temple.
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verlch
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Some of these same individuals claim that the Freemasons are anti-Christian based on some of their members being thwarted in prostelyzation of their faith and insistance that their faith be the only one in a Freemason temple.
Remember I have worked with a memeber of the masons....He calls the inner circlet the 'king makers'. That they are set to bring in the one world government. I think we all would be freaked out if we saw the things done in secret in this country.
Isreal was staight from God and look what they did, worshipped the sun. American isn't from God, and I wonder what we do???
Some of these same individuals claim that the Freemasons are anti-Christian based on some of their members being thwarted in prostelyzation of their faith and insistance that their faith be the only one in a Freemason temple.
http://www.rense.com/general44/gikdeb.htm |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 06/25/2004 : 12:33:59 [Permalink]
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Some of these same individuals claim that the Freemasons are anti-Christian based on some of their members being thwarted in prostelyzation of their faith and insistance that their faith be the only one in a Freemason temple.
Remember I have worked with a memeber of the masons....He calls the inner circlet the 'king makers'. That they are set to bring in the one world government. I think we all would be freaked out if we saw the things done in secret in this country.
Isreal was staight from God and look what they did, worshipped the sun. American isn't from God, and I wonder what we do???
Some of these same individuals claim that the Freemasons are anti-Christian based on some of their members being thwarted in prostelyzation of their faith and insistance that their faith be the only one in a Freemason temple.
http://www.rense.com/general44/gikdeb.htm
Remember, my grandfather is a 33rd degree master mason. Your assertation remains unsupported nor does it do anything but posit a fallacious appeal to consequences/authority.
Oooo. You're using Jeff Rense's website, a radio opinion commentator and conspiracy theorist. The article, however, is written by Jerry Golden, a Messianic Jew with exactly zero credentials to be considered an expert in anything. His opinion remains completely unsupported and relies on a vast conspiracy to be plausable.
In short, he is not a valid source for proving your point as he is both not an expert and does not support his assertations with expert opinion or studies. |
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Remember I have worked with a memeber of the masons....He calls the inner circlet the 'king makers'. That they are set to bring in the one world government. I think we all would be freaked out if we saw the things done in secret in this country.
My God, are you easy. I worked construction for quite a while when I was younger and let me tell you all those contractors are bustin a gut at your expense. I'll bet they can wait to get you freaked out about the scary freemasons, satanist and THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
Wish I had worked for you - that would have been alot of fun!
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Posted - 06/25/2004 : 17:39:17 [Permalink]
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I wonder what goes on under the Washington Monument in D.C.???? Probubly all kinds of abominations!! The Washington Monument is 555 ft tall with a 111 foot deep foundation, thus making it 666.
Why would you think any of that? The Washington Monument, being constructed of many individual stones, is not an obelisk. It might be shaped like one, but obelisks, by definition, are carved from a single piece of rock. |
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verlch
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Posted - 06/25/2004 : 19:12:22 [Permalink]
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My God, are you easy. I worked construction for quite a while when I was younger and let me tell you all those contractors are bustin a gut at your expense. I'll bet they can wait to get you freaked out about the scary freemasons, satanist and THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
I'm not going to run around talking to them about that!!!
Masons protect the craft at all costs, I don't know why they don't come out and show their true colors, so the radical evolutionists won't have such a laugh at my expense! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 06/28/2004 : 06:41:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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My God, are you easy. I worked construction for quite a while when I was younger and let me tell you all those contractors are bustin a gut at your expense. I'll bet they can wait to get you freaked out about the scary freemasons, satanist and THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
I'm not going to run around talking to them about that!!!
Masons protect the craft at all costs, I don't know why they don't come out and show their true colors, so the radical evolutionists won't have such a laugh at my expense!
For a group that is supposed to protect their craft at all costs, there sure are a lot of books written by Freemasons on rituals and beliefs of the Freemasons.
You have yet to substantiate your assertations about Freemasonry and conspiracy.
Don't you have something else to do besides demonizing a philanthropic organization? You've shown an interest in demonizing feminism, evolution, homosexuals, and several other groups while claiming Christianity is oppressed. Yet you have also provided not one whit of proof of these claims, either. |
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verlch
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Posted - 07/05/2004 : 15:37:52 [Permalink]
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interest in demonizing feminism, evolution, homosexuals,
Last time I checked none of those groups got burned at the stake for believing in that stuff!!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/06/2004 : 06:38:35 [Permalink]
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interest in demonizing feminism, evolution, homosexuals,
Last time I checked none of those groups got burned at the stake for believing in that stuff!!!!
I suppose the name Matthew Shepard means jack squat to you?
And the people who got burned at the stake during the "Burning Times" (1550 - 1650) were mostly people considered heretics and followers of the old religions, not "proper Christians".
But, please, let's not let facts interfere with your "poor persecuted Christians" rant. |
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verlch
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Well the Jews also killed Jesus...they didn't even realize that their maker had made it to Jerusalem!!!
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This is true-- our days are named for various mythological characters. But let's be honest: much of the whole of the Judeo-Christian religion is based on Near Eastern (i.e. pagan) religion.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 08/26/2004 : 23:30:07 [Permalink]
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Well the Jews also killed Jesus...they didn't even realize that their maker had made it to Jerusalem!!!
Well, horray for the Jews, I say! Best move they ever made. |
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Hmm, yes, Jews. Reading history, we find that the Jews have long been everybody's favorite scapegoat. In the mid-1300s, they were even blamed for the plague by honest and decent Christians.  And they were murdered in the millions before and during WW II by honest and decent Christians.
Did you know that it was a Jewish officer that awarded Adolph Hitler his Iron Cross First Class during WW I? And also that the First Class was a very unusual award for an enlisted man? And that it was the only medal that Hitler ever again wore?
Don't believe me? Look it up.
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