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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 06/23/2004 : 10:37:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Here some charts for you vultures...lol...Pick this one appart!!
http://christianparty.net/divrate.htm
That says some really good stuff. I support patriarchy, to treat the women good, but to still rule the roost. I will do that if I live in America or the ocean!!!
We have only 5% of the population and over 2/3rds of the male prison populations! Something is wrong here!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
OK. Here's the pick apart.
These figures have no coorelation to the subject that the site waxes psychotic about.
It claims a ten fold divorce rate increase but claims this in the trending over the last 100 years. This is not the society that we were 100 years ago. Neither does the comparisons of other countries (which do not show trending of their rates over the last 100 years.)
It also classifies nations as matriarcies and patriarchies based on their divorce rates and not due to their particular societies. Classic affirming the consequent.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 10:58:57 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
Here some charts for you vultures...lol...Pick this one appart!!
It's too easy. They never support their assertion that a 14.7% divorce rate is "equivalent to matriarchies." To do so, they would have to demonstrate that men seeking divorces are so rare as to be negligible.
And as Dude comments, you can replace Divorce or Government Spending with a whole load of different things, and if the analysis is "good stuff," you can prove that an increase in telephone ownership "causes" draconian anti-drug laws. Or, maybe it's the drug laws which cause telephone ownership. Maybe it's government spending which causes divorces.
Suffice it to say that without a plausible mechanism of cause, just because two rates are correlated over time doesn't mean that the effects have any relationship in reality. "Correlation doesn't equal causation" is the handy phrase to use here.quote:
I support patriarchy, to treat the women good, but to still rule the roost. I will do that if I live in America or the ocean!!!
But you don't do that now. You've admitted you can't control the women in your life. I guess you're not a real man. |
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furshur
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:17:57 [Permalink]
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Here are some more divorce statistics.
Variation in divorce rates by religion:
Religion --------------% have been divorced
Jews ---------------------------30%
Born-again Christians -----------27%
Other Christians ----------------24%
Atheists, Agnostics -------------21%
source http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:28:01 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch wrote:quote:
Here some charts for you vultures...lol...Pick this one appart!!
It's too easy. They never support their assertion that a 14.7% divorce rate is "equivalent to matriarchies." To do so, they would have to demonstrate that men seeking divorces are so rare as to be negligible.
And as Dude comments, you can replace Divorce or Government Spending with a whole load of different things, and if the analysis is "good stuff," you can prove that an increase in telephone ownership "causes" draconian anti-drug laws. Or, maybe it's the drug laws which cause telephone ownership. Maybe it's government spending which causes divorces.
Suffice it to say that without a plausible mechanism of cause, just because two rates are correlated over time doesn't mean that the effects have any relationship in reality. "Correlation doesn't equal causation" is the handy phrase to use here.quote:
I support patriarchy, to treat the women good, but to still rule the roost. I will do that if I live in America or the ocean!!!
But you don't do that now. You've admitted you can't control the women in your life. I guess you're not a real man.
On a whim, I decided to check out the main page of this site.
http://christianparty.net/intro.htm
Amongst other things, this site claims that Jews have destroyed American children
It is currently working for
1) The repeal of the 19th Amendment
2) Blacklisting of feminists
3) Looking for more stringent controls on rape convictions to favor the defendant
Oh, wait, it gets funnier
http://christianparty.net/feminism.htm
Claims that
1) 0% of high school graduate women understand physics
2) 0% of high school graduate women understand math
3) Half of all households in America are fatherless
4) 570,000 male suicides in the US are attributable to feminism
5) 37,000 lives are lost due to DUI legislation and this is the fault of feminism
6) 20 million lives are lost due to the divorce rate (although what is fatal about divorce is beyond me.)
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verlch
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:35:59 [Permalink]
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| If you guys have so much control over your woman, why do have there been 40 million abortions since 1970. Including partial birth abortion, if men don't lay laws for these ladies who will. They won't, any form of a man directing any type of laws or control aimed at women gets labels as male oppression!! How does that work! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:38:09 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by furshur
Here are some more divorce statistics.
Variation in divorce rates by religion:
Religion --------------% have been divorced
Jews ---------------------------30%
Born-again Christians -----------27%
Other Christians ----------------24%
Atheists, Agnostics -------------21%
source http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
Again that's in this country! So the devils plan is to war against God's creation. Marriage is a God ordained institution, so of course he is going to try harder on people that believe in the scripture, divide and conquer! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:55:33 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
If you guys have so much control over your woman...
Who here has seriously claimed that he can control his woman? The point is that you say that you believe in controlling your woman, but you cannot do so.quote:
...why do have there been 40 million abortions since 1970.
My wife hasn't had an abortion since I met her. Should I be expected to control her life before then?quote:
Including partial birth abortion, if men don't lay laws for these ladies who will. They won't, any form of a man directing any type of laws or control aimed at women gets labels as male oppression!! How does that work!
It is oppressive. Why should there be laws about abortion, anyway? God went around telling people to kill unborn children, shouldn't He lead the way to glory by example? |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:58:02 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
On a whim, I decided to check out the main page of this site.
http://christianparty.net/intro.htm
Amongst other things, this site claims that Jews have destroyed American children
I thought this was strange so I looked at this claim a bit further. It consists of a piece from the Washington Post. That's it. Not a journalistic piece, mind you, but some woman's account of her family, perhaps from their Sunday magazine or some such. Besides the speculation that one or more of the people might be Jewish (a last name that appears is Feldman), there is nothing in the story to suggest that Jews are destroying children, or that the story itself is representative of anything beyond a divorced family in the DC area.
The rest of the site looks quite frightening. In particular, the near obsession with men in prison because of false claims of rape is quite distressing.
But would we expect anything less from our sad little troll verlch? |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:58:05 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
Again that's in this country! So the devils plan is to war against God's creation. Marriage is a God ordained institution, so of course he is going to try harder on people that believe in the scripture, divide and conquer!
The devil doesn't have Free Will like Man does, and so his attempts to shatter Christian marriages are condoned and encouraged by God Himself. What God has put together, apparently God can tear asunder. |
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verlch
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:06:32 [Permalink]
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The devil doesn't have Free Will like Man does, and so his attempts to shatter Christian marriages are condoned and encouraged by God Himself. What God has put together, apparently God can tear asunder.
Well he had enough free will to rebel against God!!! If he didn't he couldn't have chosen to make war against God. Just as you have free will to accept evolution, the Devil had the free will to invent evolution!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:27:50 [Permalink]
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Well Davey me bye, sure and t'was the bestest of tries. Even had such as meself behavin', mostly. But it looks though this thread tis gone the way of Things Fugly, aye, and mayhap a bitty worser. T'would be good humor were it not.......
Shit, it is humorus. From the ToE to bitching about women; what's not to laugh at? Happens in all the best gin mills all the time. 
And what next, I wonder? A comedy comdom critique; that is to say: a rubber rant? Perhaps a grim but laughable statement denouncing the evils of Janet Jackson's starboard tit? What? With the V, you never know.
I await the next chapter of the Verlch Cronicles with small anticipation. Why don't we just transfer this wounded, walking wreck to Humor and make room for another?
Or maybe Humor's moderator (gezzam isn't it?) doesn't want the smegger? 
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:29:26 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
If you guys have so much control over your woman, why do have there been 40 million abortions since 1970. Including partial birth abortion, if men don't lay laws for these ladies who will. They won't, any form of a man directing any type of laws or control aimed at women gets labels as male oppression!! How does that work!
My, my. Into control, aren't you?
I don't have a woman. I have a wife.
Quite a few laws concerning abortion do not have provisions to allow it for cases of incest, rape, or where the health of the mother is in danger. As for partial birth abortions (D&X), there are legitimate uses for the procedure, such as morbidly hydrocephalic fetuses. It is safer to perform a D&X procedure than the cesearian section that would be required to remove the fetus.
There are laws which limit abortion to the first trimester on demand. Anything second and third (late term abortions) require the health of the mother be in danger. 98% of all abortions are first trimester. 2% are late term and less than 1% of those are D&X procedures. (Source: 1999 CDC report on abortion http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5109a1.htm#tab1 )
If you look at Table two of this report, you will find that people seeking abortions have dropped off significantly since 1990.
The most recent survey on abortion shows much the same thing.
Source: 2000 CDC Abortion Surveilance http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm#tab1
You also assume that all men oppose abortion. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:47:01 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
Well he had enough free will to rebel against God!!! If he didn't he couldn't have chosen to make war against God.
Right. He didn't choose to rebel against God, God made Lucifer rebel, because Lucifer did not have Free Will.quote:
Just as you have free will to accept evolution, the Devil had the free will to invent evolution!!!
I will believe (as should you) that Lucifer has Free Will only if you can quote chapter-and-verse from the Bible which says so. As far as I am aware, only Man has been granted Free Will, which makes us different both from the animals and from the angels.
filthy wrote:quote:
Well Davey me bye, sure and t'was the bestest of tries.
Thanks, guy. And no, this thread will be staying right here because it's mostly appropriate. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:55:11 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
On a whim, I decided to check out the main page of this site.
http://christianparty.net/intro.htm
Amongst other things, this site claims that Jews have destroyed American children
I thought this was strange so I looked at this claim a bit further. It consists of a piece from the Washington Post. That's it. Not a journalistic piece, mind you, but some woman's account of her family, perhaps from their Sunday magazine or some such. Besides the speculation that one or more of the people might be Jewish (a last name that appears is Feldman), there is nothing in the story to suggest that Jews are destroying children, or that the story itself is representative of anything beyond a divorced family in the DC area.
The rest of the site looks quite frightening. In particular, the near obsession with men in prison because of false claims of rape is quite distressing.
But would we expect anything less from our sad little troll verlch?
I believe the assertion is tied to two other links on the page concerning Talmudic law (demonized) and the Bible (aggrandized).
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Baza
New Member
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 13:01:55 [Permalink]
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Just as you have free will to accept evolution, the Devil had the free will to invent evolution!!!
Wait a minute...I think there was an admission there that evolution exists...I mean even if the devil invented it...If it was invented it must therefore exist! |
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