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Tokyodreamer
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USA
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 Posted - 08/19/2001 : 19:42:40 [Permalink]
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It just completely blows my mind that people here are outraged at losers like John Edward, who have no direct influence on their lives or prosperity, but they 'admire' people like Bill Clinton. How are these two men different?
The world is insane...
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comradebillyboy
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 08/19/2001 : 20:31:28 [Permalink]
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It just completely blows my mind that people here are outraged at losers like John Edward, who have no direct influence on their lives or prosperity, but they 'admire' people like Bill Clinton. How are these two men different?
The world is insane...
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Ma gavte la nata!
who is john edward?
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2001 : 20:37:42 [Permalink]
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who is john edward?
He's a 'psychic' that talks to dead people. He has a show on SciFi channel, Crossing Over with John Edward.
He lies to people, telling them that he is talking to their deceased loved ones.
He makes them feel better, even though it's a big scam. He also is very good at cold reading. As good at it as Clinton is good at "outfoxing" his opponents.
They both do the same thing. They lie and cheat to further their own careers, and people love them anyway.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2001 : 21:02:55 [Permalink]
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All I need to do is chop off Bill Clinton and insert George W Bush  and that is how I feel.
The whole tax cut business reminds me of a Ross Perot quote used to describe our current presidents father:
"He's trying to buy your vote with your own money."
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Greg
Skeptic Friend
USA
281 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2001 : 07:37:00 [Permalink]
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Are you joking or are you seriuously saying that what you said there is you basis for morality?
Do you think that the comment that I made was consistent with other posts of mine? I have to learn to mark my sarcastic comments better.
Greg.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 08/20/2001 : 08:48:29 [Permalink]
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BTW, can anyone tell me why the Starr report which was supposed to be about the Whitewater investment only contains the words "Whitewater" twice but contains the words "oral sex" over 150 times? What does a hummer in the oval office have to do with a land deal in Arkansas?
And Starr's investigation ended up costing US taxpayers (the number I heard) $53 million. To prove that:
1) People shouldn't buy beachfront property in Arkansas, and
2) People lie about sex.
Well well. I'm a lot cheaper than that. Take over a couple of my mortgage payments, and I'll even tell you what direction you should face to see sunrise! Can't get a better deal than that, huh?
Lisa
Chaos...Confusion...Destruction...My Work Here Is Done
Sorry, Lisa, I don't waste money like the government. I actually have to be somewhat fiscally responsible. (Unlike the government who's 1.1 billion dollars to buy replacement parts for the military, which can only account for 100 million. They don't know where the rest went.) Nice try though. Try Senator Condit, he might pay you for it.
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Aodoi
New Member
USA
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Posted - 08/20/2001 : 12:04:13 [Permalink]
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The whole tax cut business reminds me of a Ross Perot quote used to describe our current presidents father:
"He's trying to buy your vote with your own money."
Hmmm... buying votes... kinda like welfare? 
Somebody mentioned foreign policy earlier. I was a bit worried until the China thing. I think he handled that fairly well. He's getting a lot of flack over Kyoto and NMD, and I'm kinda iffy on those. I happen to agree with him on Kyoto and disagree with him on NMD (sorta), but I don't think he's doing terribly.
I never did figure out if Clinton had a policy or if he was just making stuff up as he went along. The whole "we gotta get peace in the mideast/korea/somewhere before I'm outta office" thing was pretty lame.
It is kinda funny how every discussion of Bush ends up comparing him with Clinton. Not surprising, just interesting.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2001 : 12:11:08 [Permalink]
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The next President will be compared to George W.
That's the way it's always been. It's not really that interesting or odd.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/20/2001 : 13:24:09 [Permalink]
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Nice try though. Try Senator Condit, he might pay you for it.
::sigh:: Guess we're no-go then. As far as Condit, no way because:
a) I'm married and even if I wasn't, he's
b) Too old, and
c) Too ugly.
So I'm shallow, sue me. 
Lisa
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Greg
Skeptic Friend
USA
281 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2001 : 18:01:56 [Permalink]
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It's nice to see that this discussion has degraded from commentary about policy to real issues like adultery (yes, I'm being sarcastic).
I am not one to ordinarily stick up for politicians, However, since everyone else is Clinton-bashing (even those who liked him), I will play 'devils advocate'.
I'm surprised that anyone is still talking about 'Whitewater' since it has long been shown that the Clintons had nothing to do with the scandal. What the American people got was a 60 million dollar report with way too much information about the President's private business. The initial investigation was based on hearsay evidence given by someone facing a long prison term. Naturally, when the President is accused of breaking the law, a special prosecutor is appointed. We got Mr. Ken Starr who, when he found no evidence linking the President or his wife to wrongdoing, abused the power of subpeona and threatened witnesses. The result? A woman (can't remember her name) spent over a year in prison without trial essentially for refusing to implicate the Clintons in Whitewater. Is this not to be considered torture? It certainly sounds like 'showing the implements of torture' to me. Many buckled under and admitted to being witches (non existing entities) under similar torture during the middle ages. I smell a witch-hunt. What about Vince Foster (probably a very intense person to begin with)? After the Presidents political enemies and the media whores that support them got through with him, he commited suicide. That wasn't the end though. Clinton's enemies needed to get some mileage out of that tragedy too by staring rumors (proved untrue) that Mr. Foster was murdered in an apartment owned by the 1st Lady and his body subsequently moved. Who are the victims here? Who owns the moral low ground?
After Clinton's term was up, the smear tactics didn't end. There was that whole bruhaha about vandalism in the Whitehouse and Air Force One. The current Administration didn't deny the vandalism had occoured and actually talked as though they were looking into the extent of damage. We even had a "journalist" counting towels on Air Force One! Finally, Clinton volunteered to pay for any damage done by his staffers provided he receive an itemized list. Guess what. No damage. I guess the new Administration was just funnin'. Again, who owns the moral low ground here?
The topic of this thread however is the current President's policies. It's interesting that when GW is criticized, someone always comes back with: "Oh yeah! Well Clinton fucked around on his wife" as if it is some sort of incantation designed to ward off the evil truth.
Personally, I'm surprised and concerned about the lack of outrage in this forum regarding the stem cell issue. If the President had stated that Creationism would be tought side by side with Evolutionary Biology in schools from now on, I could imagine a total melt-down on this board. The fact is that no one seems to care much that the future of cutting-edge biotechnology in this country is being compromised by a convoluted theology and overly-optomistic estimates (or outright lies). When concerned scientists ask the Administration about the 60 strains of stem cells that the President spoke of (there is evidence of only about 12 strains in the literature), the Administration spokesman said that it was up to them to prove that there are less than 60 strains. Interesting.
Greg.
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 08/20/2001 : 18:20:24 [Permalink]
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The fact is that no one seems to care much that the future of cutting-edge biotechnology in this country is being compromised...
I'm confused, Greg. I thought that Mr Bush OKed the stem cell research in a compromise between the wishes of the scientific community and the beliefs of a majority of citizens. Did I misread the news? Did he reject stem cell research?quote:
... by a convoluted theology and overly-optomistic estimates (or outright lies).
I must be living in a box...what are you talking about?
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comradebillyboy
Skeptic Friend
USA
188 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2001 : 18:30:33 [Permalink]
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greg
you are 100% right about the clinton "scandals". the skeptics here also might want to apply some of that skepticism to the very sad state of political journalism in this country.
for all of clinton's supposed flaws, i would rather have him, who worked his way up from nothing, than shrub who was given everything, including the presidency. shrub has no more clue than his daddy about the lives of working men and women.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 08/20/2001 : 18:46:51 [Permalink]
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I'm confused, Greg. I thought that Mr Bush OKed the stem cell research in a compromise between the wishes of the scientific community and the beliefs of a majority of citizens. Did I misread the news? Did he reject stem cell research?
Every poll I saw showed that the majority of Amercicans favored stem cell research...period. The "compromise" is clearly a ploy to appease the anti-abortion crusaders and nothing more. If he had banned the research outright there would have enourmous outrage. Some people, like myself, are still more than a little peeved at the Presidents "waffling" on this issue.
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 08/20/2001 : 23:36:46 [Permalink]
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There really didn't seem to be a compromise at all. I believe Our Illustrious President allowed scientists to continue using what samples they had, and forbade scientists from getting new ones. I admit, I am not as familiar with stem cell research as I am with, say, Geometry or Quantum Mechanics, but this seemed to be the ultimate consequence of the President's decision.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/21/2001 : 00:52:44 [Permalink]
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There really didn't seem to be a compromise at all. I believe Our Illustrious President allowed scientists to continue using what samples they had, and forbade scientists from getting new ones.
Keep in mind that I don't listen to the news or political speeches so I don't know 1st hand what the Moron said or what was in the agreement but from listening to talk radio, I heard it's not BANNED, it's just federal funds can't pay for it.
Anyway, other more enligtened countries are doing research so it's not like the knowledge will disappear. So when we need a transplant we go to England, big deal.
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