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verlch
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The quote from gish is about as relevant as a quote from Larry Hagman!!
To recap, YOU ARE the most DISHONEST, LIEING, DIMWITTED, UNCHRISTIAN CHARLATAN to grace these bb's.
Goodbye and good riddance?
I love being called a liar because I don't believe in evolution!!! A theory with so many holes poked in the bag there is no longer a drop of water in the whole theory!!! Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. Jesus said that when they were trying to stone Him. On a lesser by a billionth scale, the same applys to you, DISHONEST, LIEING, DIMWITTED, UNCHRISTIAN CHARLATAN, go ahead Mr. Perfection, stone me to death, I am a sinner!!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:11:17 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
God still made you, He doesn't hate you...God makes sure the birds are feed, what more will he do for humans?
That's all irrelevant. You said that if people have faith and pray, they'd be blessed, and implied that a blessed life requires God to exist. I don't pray or have faith - and in fact I reject your bullying, petty and hateful vision of God - yet I still lead a blessed life. Go figure.
So, why did you get divorced?
And I see you're still saying that 5% equals 0%. I guess you don't use any math in your work, eh? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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verlch
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:20:52 [Permalink]
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That's all irrelevant. You said that if people have faith and pray, they'd be blessed, and implied that a blessed life requires God to exist.
I was merely testifying that when I do as God asks, my life, for me, is easier. You can go after you life without God, but I question you true happiness. I have been on both sides of the tracks, extreme evil and good. I am much happier being good, and following as many of the commandments in the bible as I can!!!!
Satan carried Jesus up to a mountain top, showed him all the nations of the earth with all their riches, and said, "All this will I give you if you bow down and worship me." Basically give me your soul, hmmm seems as though the devil can do a fair amount of blessing, in exchange for your soul of course!!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:22:11 [Permalink]
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| I got divoreced because I didn't care anymore if she left me...She wanted to be equal to me and rule the roost as a co-rooster/title. And I firmly disagreed... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:29:34 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
I got divoreced because I didn't care anymore if she left me...She wanted to be equal to me and rule the roost as a co-rooster/title. And I firmly disagreed...
Ah, okay. Now tell me why I should trust the word of an admitted adulterer such as yourself on matters Biblical.[/quote]I was merely testifying that when I do as God asks, my life, for me, is easier. You can go after you life without God, but I question you true happiness. I have been on both sides of the tracks, extreme evil and good. I am much happier being good, and following as many of the commandments in the bible as I can!!!![/quote]You assume that because I reject your God, I must be in league with Satan. But I reject the notion of Satan as well.
I have broken exactly three of the Ten Commandments in my lifetime, and only one of them do I continue to break. Of Jesus' two most-important commandments, I break the first one, continually. Why do I follow the commandments at all? Because society would frown upon me if I went around killing people (for example). I have no fear of Hell, nor desire for the Christian idea of Heaven. My following any of the commandments is simply coincidental.
And who the hell made you God that you can know my happiness based upon your sorry life? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:42:09 [Permalink]
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Ah, okay. Now tell me why I should trust the word of an admitted adulterer such as yourself on matters Biblical
Now your making assumptions... I didn't cheat on her, where did you jump to that one Dave? |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:44:41 [Permalink]
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And who the hell made you God that you can know my happiness based upon your sorry life?
Do as you please...It's your free will man, we all are given free will.... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:52:04 [Permalink]
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verlch speaking about evolution...
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A theory with so many holes poked in the bag there is no longer a drop of water in the whole theory!!!
gratuitous assertion number- .... somewhere over 200 now I think. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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verlch
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:53:18 [Permalink]
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verlch speaking about evolution...
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A theory with so many holes poked in the bag there is no longer a drop of water in the whole theory!!!
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gratuitous assertion number- .... somewhere over 200 now I think.
In My opinion...I should have added... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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welshdean
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 17:18:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Verlch:
'...UNCHRISTIAN...'
Thank you, I shall take that as a compliment.
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Originally posted by Verlch:
I have been on both sides of the tracks, extreme evil and good.
Funny... as you so rightly complimented me on my critical thinking skills earlier, re: 'UNCHRISTIAN', I don't ever remember me being 'evil'. I wonder if thats a coincidence or a direct result of being 'UNCHRISTIAN'.
Difference between you and I Verlch, is that I've got a modicum of moral fibre in me. You, it seems, can only be good to your fellow man by the fear of 'burning in hellfire and brimstone'. Do ya get it?
Put simply Verlch, if the threat of your version of god's wrath is wasn't there, you would melt down your old Gran for the silver in her hair! I, on the other hand don't have/care-about that threat and I've been a good boy!!
Christians hold the moral high ground! Pah! |
"Frazier is so ugly he should donate his face to the US Bureau of Wild Life."
"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize, but get used to me. Black, confident, cocky. My name, not yours. My religion, not yours. My goals, my own. Get used to me."
"Service to others is the rent you pay for your room here on earth."
---- Muhammad Ali
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welshdean
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 17:41:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by: VerlchI
"...love being called a liar because I don't believe in evolution!!! A theory with so many holes poked in the bag there is no longer a drop of water in the whole theory!!! Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. Jesus said that when they were trying to stone Him. On a lesser by a billionth scale, the same applys to you, DISHONEST, LIEING, DIMWITTED, UNCHRISTIAN CHARLATAN, go ahead Mr. Perfection, stone me to death, I am a sinner!!!!"
I called you a liar because of your readiness to restate things that have been proven to be lies. From the top of my head, as an example, look at No 44 here; http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2841 Filthy will thank you for considering it also, I'll betcha!
Things* like this have been proven to be the most reliable methods, repeatedly tested and verified with other methods to ensure their efficacy. Hence, I feel justified in calling you a liar, Liar!
Now, can you please show me where I have lied? Or will you be rescinding your accusation? Remember, when I had a momentary lapse of self control and made swinging statements, I had the moral fortitude to apoligise, immediately.
On a side note, if evolution is only a theory, because no-one was there, you can't see it! Show me gravity! Not it's effects, we can see them, as we can see the effects of evolution. So show me it, where's this gravity thing everbody goes on about. I aint seen it!!!
*'things' could be any of the sciences, thats why I left it a little vague!
Edited for the usual; spelling and grandma! And to add the * above this litle note. |
"Frazier is so ugly he should donate his face to the US Bureau of Wild Life."
"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize, but get used to me. Black, confident, cocky. My name, not yours. My religion, not yours. My goals, my own. Get used to me."
"Service to others is the rent you pay for your room here on earth."
---- Muhammad Ali
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verlch
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 18:11:03 [Permalink]
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You can't see the wind, but you can feel it. What is wind, guys? And why can't we see it? It's an invisible force, doing good (a cooling breeze) or doing evil...(knocking over buildings in a flood of chaos). The moral of the story is you can't see it but you know its there!!!!!
Some of those 200 assertions are taken out of context...while I was exaggerating a point. Nobody seems to care about that!!!! So declaring me a LIAR in all caps is rather hurtful, given the fact you don't know how those things are written. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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welshdean
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 18:45:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by: Verlch
You can't see the wind
If we use your logic, as in, 'we haven't seen a mouse change into the great barrier reef, ergo ToE is unprovable.', is it fair to assume you believe wind doesn't exist either.
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Originally posted by: Verlch
So declaring me a LIAR in all caps is rather hurtful
As the old saying goes; The truth hurts!!!
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Originally posted by: Verlch
you don't know how those things are written.
Written where? Do you mean '......and so it was written' |
"Frazier is so ugly he should donate his face to the US Bureau of Wild Life."
"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize, but get used to me. Black, confident, cocky. My name, not yours. My religion, not yours. My goals, my own. Get used to me."
"Service to others is the rent you pay for your room here on earth."
---- Muhammad Ali
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 19:20:55 [Permalink]
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| Let me fill in the blanks for you...I assumed you understood what my neurons where firing upon. The 200 assertions in the front and the fact you think that I am trying to say they all are fact, some are just meant to be funny, but there are sitting there kindof out of context, funny and silly, but still there to be made fun of....Beuty is in the eye of the beholder!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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welshdean
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 19:43:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Let me fill in the blanks for you...
Ha ha ha ho hoo ho he he he... YOU, fill in the blanks for ME!!!! "Bar tender, I'll have a pint of whatever he's drinking please."
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Originally posted by verlchI assumed you understood what my neurons where [sic] firing upon.
Meths, I would guess! By the way, when you say 'what my neurons where firing upon.' I asume you mean were and I also assume you meant the past tense, 'cause they don't appear to be firing anymore!!
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Originally posted by verlch
The 200 assertions in the front and the fact you think that I am trying to say they all are fact,
They are statements YOU HAVE MADE, are you saying you don't tell facts, because if you don't tell the facts then we're only left with untruths and lies.
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Originally posted by verlch
there are sitting there kindof [sic] out of context,
Ha ha ha ho hoo ho he he he... Out of context? A creationist accusing any one of out of context quoting always raises a smile on my visage!
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Originally posted by verlch
....Beuty [sic] is in the eye of the beholder!!!
I agree, you ain't looking too good in my eyes at the moment, pal. |
"Frazier is so ugly he should donate his face to the US Bureau of Wild Life."
"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize, but get used to me. Black, confident, cocky. My name, not yours. My religion, not yours. My goals, my own. Get used to me."
"Service to others is the rent you pay for your room here on earth."
---- Muhammad Ali
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