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verlch
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It's incredible how faith weakens the mind and gives one the arogance to simply deny all scientific evidence they view as conrary to their creation/christian mythology. Though it does seem to make life simpler, "No thinking required".
It takes more faith to believe in your unsound doctrine than it does in mine!!!
If you don't believe in God than explain facts I have observed. God says he, 'will pour out the blessing of heaven to those that follow his commandments and give (time and money) to his cause.' He says 10% of your income should go towards furthering God's causes. God says in the bible that he will reward these men, and pour out the blessings of heaven.
So men of this website, try observing the power of tithing and prayer. If God doesn't exist why do I recieve blessings in my life when I pay tithe's and offerings to 'the living God.' It should not happened, my life is wonderful, I have more business than I ever could have drempt about. So why don't you gentlemen try doing it and proof to me that your life is no longer blessed, by paying tithes and offerings.
Stealing, the bible says 'thou shalt not steal.' 10 years ago I stole everything I pleased, thinking there would not be any consiquences. How, I said, could God notice the little things I stole over and over and over and over. The bible says you will lose 7 times 70 the value of the thing you stole. Many theifs should recognize the scales and balances God enacts as you steal things that don't belong to you!!! I the $2000.00 worth of things I stole, I fiqured that between $9000 to $10,000.00 dollars worth of bad things happened to me, enough so that after I was caught and charged with a mistimeanor that I would never steal another dime, and I haven't. I had my radio stolen, money stolen, shoes clothes and other things just taken, for several months after the last thing I stole!!! Finally it stoped and I haven't had another thing stolen since.
Praying, I have prayed to God for simple things, like finding my keys. I would find them faster after praying. My son had a kidney disease, people at my church prayed and he had something happen that only happens 5% of the time, they started growing again. My son had thousands of people praying for him.
Those are honest to goodness things that I observed, and the nice thing is, you can try them out too and you will find the exact things would happen to you as they do me. You could have your proof that God exists, by testing to see the truth that is the 'spirt of the bible.' There is a myrid of other things that point to the truth of the bible. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/20/2004 : 12:52:47 [Permalink]
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So why do you bother to come here verlch? Go hang with your fundie buddies and save yourself the embarassment of making a complete fool of yourself here.
It's pretty clear that you are incapable of comprehending even the basics of rational thinking. (or you are, as has been said, a troll who just wants to get a rise out of some skeptics) |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 06/20/2004 : 13:40:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
They find now that man is more closely related to a mouse!!!
Man more closely related to a mouse than what? What's your reference?
Man is more closely related to a mouse than a pelican. True.
Man is more closely related to a mouse than a crocodile. True.
Man is more closely related to a mouse than a bullfrog. True.
Man is more closely related to a mouse than a chimpanzee. False
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How does that work in your 'theroy'???
I don't believe you!
Who said it? Where and when? |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 06/20/2004 : 13:55:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
The bible says you will lose 7 times 70 the value of the thing you stole. Many theifs should recognize the scales and balances God enacts as you steal things that don't belong to you!!! I the $2000.00 worth of things I stole, I fiqured that between $9000 to $10,000.00 dollars worth of bad things happened to me, enough so that after I was caught and charged with a mistimeanor that I would never steal another dime, and I haven't.
Both you and God seems to be lousy at calculus, because 7 times 70 is 490, so you should have $980,000 dollars worth of bad things happening to you.
But who's keeping score? I don't. Not anymore.
By the way, if God has been so good to you, how come you have two divorces? |
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Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/20/2004 : 15:00:56 [Permalink]
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| The fact that there are thieves and ex-thieves doesn't really tell us that there is a God. It doesn't follow. It may be that "God" is the word you put on things that happened in your life, but I don't see why that is necessary. Also, I am sure people know that stealing is generally wrong without ever reading the Bible. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/20/2004 : 15:04:28 [Permalink]
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They find now that man is more closely related to a mouse!!! How does that work in your 'theroy'???
References please <yawn>.
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moakley
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Posted - 06/20/2004 : 18:59:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
"If we look at certain proteins, yes, man then -- it can be assumed that man is more closely related to a chimpanzee than other things. But on the other hand, if you look at certain other proteins, you'll find that man is more closely related to a bullforg than he is to a chimapanzee. If you focus your attention on other proteins, you'll find that man is more closely related to a chicken than he is to a chimpanzee."
They find now that man is more closely related to a mouse!!! How does that work in your 'theroy'???
These are not simple questions to answer, but instead of doing the work necessary to gain any understanding you would rather throw up your hands and proclaim "god did it". Dave W., Dr. Mabuse, filthy, and others have tried to answer your question, and have probably addressed these in particular. But you just don't get it. You refuse to take this as an opportunity to learn from those who know and understand much more than you on the questions you raise.
I suspect that the good works that your god requires of you is to go forth and serve as an irritant. Especially to those who have decided to use their abilities to reason, to critically evaulate the available data supporting any and all assertion, and to arrive at conclusions outside of christian doctrine. Where as you rely on faith, "a firm belief in an assertion without any evidence, often contrary to the available evidence."
Verlch, I pity you. |
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moakley
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Posted - 06/20/2004 : 19:07:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Praying, I have prayed to God for simple things, like finding my keys. I would find them faster after praying. My son had a kidney disease, people at my church prayed and he had something happen that only happens 5% of the time, they started growing again. My son had thousands of people praying for him.
Those are honest to goodness things that I observed, and the nice thing is, you can try them out too and you will find the exact things would happen to you as they do me. You could have your proof that God exists, by testing to see the truth that is the 'spirt of the bible.' There is a myrid of other things that point to the truth of the bible.
Just like the 100s possibly 1000s of individuals had their prayers answered for the safe return of Paul Johnson. Your god can apparently find keys or cure health issue that likely have a natural explanation, but when it comes to caring for the safety of good people your god is indifferent. Perhaps even malevolent, since your god knew it was going to happen, supposedly has the power to prevent his death, but did nothing. |
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welshdean
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/21/2004 : 03:59:47 [Permalink]
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verlch,
you are a liar!!
I don't believe you have children let alone a child with 'healed by prayer' (bwahahahahahaha) kidneys.
Why do I make this assertion? Simply because over the last two days I've read every single post you've made to this site. The pattern is glaringly obvious, you've lied, cheated, misdirected, obfuscated and conducted yourself in a very poor manner. So i'll state once more. YOU ARE A LIAR! You fit the stereotype of the unchristian christian very, very well. If the cap fits laddie....!
Just for the record, re-read the opening post again;
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A vast majority of posters and lurkers at this site will be well aware of the absurdity of relying upon the ICR in a debate, but the fundies had better stop NOW.
If they expect us to swallow any of the nonsense that they're gullible enough to do so, then they had better start citing findings and/or information from a proper scientific resource! http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/4550_antievolutionism_and_creationi_2_13_2001.asp
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In a review of the ICR graduate school, a visitng committee of scientists concluded that "no member of the resdient faculty of the ICR has continued an active and published research program since arrival at the ICR. The Institute for Creation Research can therefore not be considered to be a scientific institution" (Wills et al 1990, p. 22).
emphasis mine, otherwise exactly as posted on supplied link
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Having said that, they rarely cite anything, preferring instead to make endless assertions, followed up by insults and "I'll pray for you". Ergo; they win???
With this in mind, please explain why on earth you posted this;
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DUANE GISH: The fossil record is enormously better now than it was in Darwin's time, but it hasn't solved Darwin's problem. In our museum today we have about a quarter of a million different fossil species. If evolution's true, tens of thousands of those things should be of obvious intermediates, but they're not there. Every major type of creature appears fully formed, no ancestors and no transition form.
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As stated twice already in this thread;
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The Institute for Creation Research can therefore not be considered to be a scientific institution" (Wills et al 1990, p. 22).
The quote from gish is about as relevant as a quote from Larry Hagman!!
To recap, YOU ARE the most DISHONEST, LIEING, DIMWITTED, UNCHRISTIAN CHARLATAN to grace these bb's.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/21/2004 : 08:35:36 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
So men of this website, try observing the power of tithing and prayer. If God doesn't exist why do I recieve blessings in my life when I pay tithe's and offerings to 'the living God.' It should not happened, my life is wonderful, I have more business than I ever could have drempt about. So why don't you gentlemen try doing it and proof to me that your life is no longer blessed, by paying tithes and offerings.
Ah, so your God is a petty God who gives "blessing" in the form of money? Pathetic. I don't tithe or pray, and am blessed with a wonderful wife (you've been twice divorced, if I remember correctly), a healthy and inquisitive child, several loving pets, and a good home. Plus, I'm editor here on the SFN. My life is freakin' fantastic.quote:
Praying, I have prayed to God for simple things, like finding my keys. I would find them faster after praying.
You know what? I put my keys in the same place every night, and I don't need to spend any time finding them at all. Perhaps you should pray to God to grant you some organizational skills.quote:
My son had a kidney disease, people at my church prayed and he had something happen that only happens 5% of the time, they started growing again. My son had thousands of people praying for him.
So you're saying that the doctors were wrong, and your son actually had a zero-percent chance of recovery without prayer. He couldn't possibly have been one of the 1-in-20 cases where the kidneys regrow spontaneously. I see. And where did you come by your knowledge of medicine?
Welshdean: those sorts of posts just put verlch on the defensive. They don't help. |
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welshdean
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Posted - 06/21/2004 : 15:51:03 [Permalink]
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Dave W. wrote;
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Welshdean: those sorts of posts just put verlch on the defensive. They don't help.
I know, sometimes I get too pissed off to hold back.
I apologise profusely to Verlch and unreservedly withdraw my asinine comments. Apologies again Verlch. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/21/2004 : 18:49:25 [Permalink]
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Welshdean wrote:quote:
I know, sometimes I get too pissed off to hold back.
Same here, man, same here. I've definitely been there. |
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:01:57 [Permalink]
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verlch,
you are a liar!!
I don't believe you have children let alone a child with 'healed by prayer' (bwahahahahahaha) kidneys.
Why do I make this assertion? Simply because over the last two days I've read every single post you've made to this site. The pattern is glaringly obvious, you've lied, cheated, misdirected, obfuscated and conducted yourself in a very poor manner. So i'll state once more. YOU ARE A LIAR! You fit the stereotype of the unchristian christian very, very well. If the cap fits laddie....!
How dare you call me a liar...At least I try not to believe in a lie/evolution....Just ask the people that prayed for my son, and if you want to speak the doctor that called it a 'miracle'. The doctors said that in 95% of kidneys they don't see growth afther they stop growing in the womb. They said he would need a kidney transplant on his 17th birthday!!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:03:21 [Permalink]
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you've been twice divorced, if I remember correctly
Once mister... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 13:05:26 [Permalink]
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Ah, so your God is a petty God who gives "blessing" in the form of money? Pathetic. I don't tithe or pray, and am blessed with a wonderful wife (you've been twice divorced, if I remember correctly), a healthy and inquisitive child, several loving pets, and a good home. Plus, I'm editor here on the SFN. My life is freakin'
God still made you, He doesn't hate you...God makes sure the birds are feed, what more will he do for humans? |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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