|
|
|
satans_mom
Skeptic Friend
USA
148 Posts |
 Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:30:50 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by Dude
quote:
verlch: I do not know all the ins and outs of evolution, I have largly ignored it in my life.
LMAO! I just about cried I laughed so hard when I read that line.... Thanks verlch.
If you have ignored it, why then do you think you can speak intelligently about it? How then, after a life spent ignoring evolution, can you claim it is false or a lie?
unreal....
hahaha!! I was wondering why no one had said anything about that incredibly ridiculous statement... that is, until I read your post.
hehe |
Yo mama's so fat, she's on both sides of the family.
|
 |
|
|
satans_mom
Skeptic Friend
USA
148 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:36:50 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
quote:
If you have ignored it, why then do you think you can speak intelligently about it? How then, after a life spent ignoring evolution, can you claim it is false or a lie?
I attack the concept. The facts we can't observe it, and the speculation why you can't observe it.
Ummm... what?? What is your point? If it's some Christian argument that I'm thinking about, you're just greatly contradicting yourself. You can't observe GOD. You can observe Earth elements. You should explain yourself. |
Yo mama's so fat, she's on both sides of the family.
|
|
|
|
verlch
SFN Regular
781 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:47:46 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Ummm... what?? What is your point? If it's some Christian argument that I'm thinking about, you're just greatly contradicting yourself. You can't observe GOD. You can observe Earth elements. You should explain yourself.
Well I'm sick of beating a dead horse, if you look you can see evidence of a created earth. If you choose to ignore the obvious you will choose evolution. Someday you will see God with your own eyes!!
So is this a Dr. M, or filthy, or who are you SM??? Could this be dude or Renea!!! Come on let the cat out of the bag Mr. IP address!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
|
|
|
|
satans_mom
Skeptic Friend
USA
148 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:51:00 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
You attack a lie about evolution, and not evolution itself.
Dude we have been over this a million times!!! What can of worms did Darwin open and why am I a fanatic for not believing my species used to be covered in hair and eat lice of each other day and night! There is nothing exaulting and wonderful about evolving, bottom line. And yes I am a bit fanatical about my believes, I am full of passion and love for it! So I don't hate you, why don't you guys abmit your true lifes passion, you hate Christians and Jews. Only based on our believe in God, and our origins from Him, and if you don't hate them, then you like me. You might then quite calling me a liar, and start saying, we just don't agree on the 'orgin of our race.'
When you mock the bible, or attack it, I don't call you a liar!! I never have or will!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! WE HATE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS!!!!!
My god, you are an incredibly dim person!
I don't think any of us will get to him, but jesus, it's too easy to shred your arguments apart!!! What a pathetic statement! How dare you say any of us have hatred for "your kind" just because we've reached a more mature age of reason! If I don't hate them, I like you...
No I don't like you. I think you're remarkably ridiculous. But I don't hate you, for if it weren't for people like you, skeptic forums would never exist. You bring people together! And furthermore, NOTHING ABOUT LIFE IS EXAULTING AND WONDERFUL. Is birth a beautiful thing? No, it's painful, and messy, but we still consider it a miracle. Is defecating exaulting? No, it's not, but it is necessary to live. Therefore, some consider it a miracle.
Is evolution beautiful? Yes! AND IT'S STILL A MIRACLE.
You are afraid to PROGRESS. The fact that we USED to be lesser creatures and now we're not shows signs of OUR OWN INTELLIGENCE. It's a flattering thing for the most part that I AM ABLE TO PROGRESS. You want to be human from beginning to end? Well, have fun. I'd rather be so much more. |
Yo mama's so fat, she's on both sides of the family.
|
|
|
|
Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:37:31 [Permalink]
|
verlch wrote:quote:
Dude we have been over this a million times!!!
Yes, we have been over it a million times because you refuse to listen to anyone else, and so you keep coming back to the same things which have already been dealt with.quote:
What can of worms did Darwin open and why am I a fanatic for not believing my species used to be covered in hair and eat lice of each other day and night!
See? You don't listen. Your not a fanatic due simply to your incorrect beliefs, you're a fanatic because when corrections are offered to your beliefs, you ignore them.quote:
There is nothing exaulting and wonderful about evolving, bottom line.
That's a matter of opinion. I find the theory of evolution to be very wonderful, indeed. There is no wonder in saying "Goddidit, period." Such is a denial of wonder.quote:
And yes I am a bit fanatical about my believes, I am full of passion and love for it! So I don't hate you, why don't you guys abmit your true lifes passion, you hate Christians and Jews. Only based on our believe in God, and our origins from Him, and if you don't hate them, then you like me. You might then quite calling me a liar, and start saying, we just don't agree on the 'orgin of our race.'
When you mock the bible, or attack it, I don't call you a liar!! I never have or will!!
This isn't about Christianity, Judaism or the Bible. It's about your behaviour in these forums. That you're quick to share your blame with all of your fellow Christians shows a lack of (or repugnance for) personal responsibility, a decidedly unchristian characteristic in you. With any luck, you and your God will be having a loooong chat before you get thrown in the Lake of Fire. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
|
|
|
filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:50:19 [Permalink]
|
Ah no, friend Verlch. satans_mom is not I but the Mom of Satan, as advertised. I resent the implication. I detest sock puppetry, even the amusing ones.
Now then, how 'bout a rebuttal to my refutation of #44? I don't think that you can do it.
 |
"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
|
|
|
|
Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
385 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 13:20:21 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
quote:
Ummm... what?? What is your point? If it's some Christian argument that I'm thinking about, you're just greatly contradicting yourself. You can't observe GOD. You can observe Earth elements. You should explain yourself.
Well I'm sick of beating a dead horse, if you look you can see evidence of a created earth. If you choose to ignore the obvious you will choose evolution. Someday you will see God with your own eyes!!
Obvious? Ok, but pretend I haven't seen all the obvious evidence there is of a created Earth, and tell me what evidence you're talking about. Also tell me how it concludes that it is the God of the Bible. Another thing: just because someone rejects the idea of a god doesn't mean that person will automatically believe in evolution. Or do you mean to tell us that there are only two possible alternatives? |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
|
|
|
byhisgrace88
Formerly "creation88"
USA
166 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 14:02:49 [Permalink]
|
Verich....You MUST learn that lashing out at people is not going to get the job done. You say that "you're only her to present faith". I fyou think presenting faith, means calling people anti-christian, and anti-sematic, then you my friend are sorely mistaken.
I agree with you that some of the folk's here (not all by any means) are quite condesending to Christian's, or anyone who chooses to believe that we did'nt come from nothing. But I don't think most of them "hate" Christian's. At least no more than you are showing that you hate non-christians.
If you really want to present faith as you insist that you do. Then you must realise that showing your faith isn't always proving someone else wrong. Sometimes it's "turning the other cheek". That will show you're faith much moren than you are doing now.
Matt 7:3-- "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the log in your own eye.--
|
Indeed, if we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desire, not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.-- C.S. Lewis |
|
|
|
verlch
SFN Regular
781 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 17:31:33 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Matt 7:3-- "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the log in your own eye.--
I never said I was perfect and I am the first to admit I'm a sinner. I've stated that before. I'm not trying to better myself, just unshakably stand for what "I" believe in, courtesy of my 'own free will.'
I don't hate them and they are free to believe things as they see fit. It is my personal feeling that ...would like to explain my set of beliefs, ...haven't reacted hostily to their beliefs, and most of all ... listened. ....don't dislike anyof them. In fact while I 'am a general contractor' enjoy thinking of the next things to type about on here and find it quite fun to pass the hours here chattingn with other men. So forgive my actions if you have taken offense to them, so the moral of the story is," speak softly and carry a big stick to whack evolutionist over the head with."--Verlch LOL!!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
|
|
|
|
Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 18:32:03 [Permalink]
|
verlch wrote:quote:
I never said I was perfect and I am the first to admit I'm a sinner.
Baloney. You tried to weasel out of your adultery with the old "Mosiac Law" dodge, which Jesus said no longer applies. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
|
|
|
verlch
SFN Regular
781 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 18:50:13 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch wrote:quote:
I never said I was perfect and I am the first to admit I'm a sinner.
Baloney. You tried to weasel out of your adultery with the old "Mosiac Law" dodge, which Jesus said no longer applies.
Well I wasn't trying to be perfect...I think there was old things done away with. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
|
|
|
|
Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 19:01:30 [Permalink]
|
verlch wrote:quote:
Well I wasn't trying to be perfect...I think there was old things done away with.
Indeed, Jesus did away with the old "certificate of divorce" stuff. His new rules don't include divorce and remarriage as an option without it being adultery. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
|
|
|
filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 19:28:15 [Permalink]
|
quote:
I don't hate them and they are free to believe things as they see fit. It is my personal feeling that ...would like to explain my set of beliefs, ...haven't reacted hostily to their beliefs, and most of all ... listened. ....don't dislike anyof them. In fact while I 'am a general contractor' enjoy thinking of the next things to type about on here and find it quite fun to pass the hours here chattingn with other men. So forgive my actions if you have taken offense to them, so the moral of the story is," speak softly and carry a big stick to whack evolutionist over the head with."--Verlch LOL!!!!
Verlch ol' sport, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you have yet to whack any evolutionist here even on the ankle, let alone over the head. Shoutin' bullshit ain't a'whackin, buddy-ro.
So, how 'bout a rebuttal to my refutation of #44? Furshur showed you how to go about it in another thread, and a good job, too. Pick up your stick and bring it on!
Edited 'cause I mispelled furshur's handle. Folks like to see their names done right. |
"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
|
| Edited by - filthy on 06/23/2004 19:58:27 |
|
|
|
Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 23:48:27 [Permalink]
|
quote:
just unshakably stand for what "I" believe in, courtesy of my 'own free will.'
verlch.... I'll give you a shot at soemthing that won't require you to post references, won't require any research. Something that anyone with a rudimentary understanding of deductive syllogism should be able to atleast take a crack at.
Explain to me how we can have free will when we are created by an omnipotent and omnicient creator.
god is omnipotent (there is nothing god cannot do)
god is omnicient (there is nothing god does not know)
god created you (god, knowing all things, knows everything you will ever do) (god, being all powerfull, creates you in full knowledge of all your future actions)
Therefore you do not have free will, as your actions are the creation and intent of god.
So go for it.... explain how people have free will. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
|
|
|
|
ConsequentAtheist
SFN Regular
641 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2004 : 05:47:49 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by Dude
... anyone with a rudimentary understanding of deductive syllogism should be able to atleast take a crack at.
As opposed to inductive syllogism? |
For the philosophical naturalist, the rejection of supernaturalism is a case of "death by a thousand cuts." -- Barbara Forrest, Ph.D. |
|
|
 |
|
|
|
Topic Locked
