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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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 Posted - 07/16/2004 : 06:12:14 [Permalink]
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| Questions, Bibleland: Do you honestly believe in the story about Noah and his ark as it is described in the Bible? If so, why? What is the evidence? |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 07/16/2004 : 06:53:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bibleland
Dear Friends,
Evolution lacks two of the most important elements in life we are all in need of. 1.) Love 2.) eternity Who here does not want or need love and who would like to end their life this very moment. In 1984 when in the Navy walking on the deck of the USS Alamo, an idea was pressed to my mind without prior contemplation "Is the Bible the inspired word of God and can be trusted?" At that moment I had to make a decission and it is either a yes or no proposition. If I said Yes I needed to read the Bible with an open mind and heart. If I answered No, all I could look forward to was hopelessness. I answered "yes" in good conscience and it changed my life.
Friends I know from past experience on this type of forum we can go back and forth on this stimulating topic. Therefore I give you all the final word and please visit us from time to time your're all invited. www.biblelandstudios.com
And this makes evolution invalid.....how?
Sorry, Bibleland, but Evolution is not a philosophy. It's a fact and a theory about a mechanism for change. It makes no comment on love. But, then again, neither does mathematics. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2004 : 09:14:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bibleland
Friends I know from past experience on this type of forum we can go back and forth on this stimulating topic. Therefore I give you all the final word and please visit us from time to time your're all invited. www.biblelandstudios.com
At least he's not like verlch... |
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
1536 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2004 : 09:31:39 [Permalink]
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bibleland, you said:
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Evolution lacks two of the most important elements in life we are all in need of. 1.) Love 2.) eternity Who here does not want or need love and who would like to end their life this very moment.
Evolution does not lack love or eternity. It has nothing to do with love and eternity.
Evolution describes how living things change and adapt to the environment.
I absolutely believe that human beings evolved. I also am a loving person who has wonderful relationships with my family and friends.
As far as eternity - I am not sure what you are trying to say. I would not like to end my life at this moment - that will come soon enough of it own accord.
I too was in the Navy. I too had an epiphany. I asked myself, as I was in excess of 400ft under the ocean on the USS Ohio, would I like to die at sea. The answer was no, consequently I will NEVER go a 'pleasure cruise'.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2004 : 09:32:56 [Permalink]
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Bibleland wrote:quote:
Evolution lacks two of the most important elements in life we are all in need of. 1.) Love 2.) eternity
As Valiant Dancer already noted, mathematics lacks those things, also, but I bet you don't reject math and instead use it to balance your checkbook. Dismissing evolution because it fails to address love or eternity is like dismissing everything you say because your web site fails to address the proper color scheme for a rebuilt AMC Pacer. It makes no sense.quote:
Who here does not want or need love and who would like to end their life this very moment.
Emotional appeals do not invalidate scientific theories, especially when those appeals fail to address the theories properly.quote:
In 1984 when in the Navy walking on the deck of the USS Alamo, an idea was pressed to my mind without prior contemplation "Is the Bible the inspired word of God and can be trusted?" At that moment I had to make a decission and it is either a yes or no proposition. If I said Yes I needed to read the Bible with an open mind and heart. If I answered No, all I could look forward to was hopelessness. I answered "yes" in good conscience and it changed my life.
The fact that you could not imagine anything but hopelessness only demonstrates your lack of imagination, in my opinion. And the fact that you found the question to have only 'yes' and 'no' answers also suggests you didn't think things through. The story also has little bearing on your ability to accurately remember 34-year-old things, or on the accuracy of the depiction of the non-Ark people, animals, and items in the painting which started this thread.
As a side note, I am still unable to answer 'yes' or 'no' to such a question "in good conscience," if that phrase means "using all available evidence to reach a conclusion which matches reality as I know it." I cannot think of another way to parse the phrase which doesn't involve lying to myself in some small (or large) way. If you can do so, I'd really enjoy learning what it is.
I would also enjoy learning how you knew, 20 years ago, that the Bible can be trusted. Yes, if it can be trusted, then it is the inspired Word of God (it says so). If it can't be trusted, then it may be God's Word or not. The trust part is the key, then, and not whether or not it is the Word.quote:
Friends I know from past experience on this type of forum we can go back and forth on this stimulating topic. Therefore I give you all the final word...
But, you won't be returning to these forums, as you're unwilling to devote the time to this. That's quite understandable, especially given the sort of forums these are. Thanks for the time you've spent here already. |
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Bibleland
Skeptic Friend
USA
51 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2004 : 11:00:45 [Permalink]
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Dear Dave,
My lack of spending time is not due to lack of want to spend time with you personally or anyone else. My past experience on sites dedicated to logic, evolution, atheism and the like have shown that the participants had little regard with someone with my beliefs. Intelligent sarcasm was the usual responce from the crowd and I just don't want to see our short visit deteriorate to that. So I come on share and leave. You and all your firends are welcome to our site www.BiblelandStudios.com and stay as long as little as you like. We can discuss or not. You can learn or teach. You may spend as little time there or stay all day, its up to you. You are always welcome to come and go as you please on your terms without any critism from me or I hope anyone else on our forum. If you personally want to spend more time I'd be happy to e-mail you my phone number. As I said in my last post please come to our site and I'd be happy to answer any more questions there.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2004 : 19:14:14 [Permalink]
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John Adolfi wrote:quote:
My lack of spending time is not due to lack of want to spend time with you personally or anyone else. My past experience on sites dedicated to logic, evolution, atheism and the like have shown that the participants had little regard with someone with my beliefs. Intelligent sarcasm was the usual responce from the crowd and I just don't want to see our short visit deteriorate to that. So I come on share and leave.
I understand all that, and thanked you for the time you'd spent here. I apologize for implying that your leaving was due to personal conflicts here. Obviously and understandably, you'd rather spend your time at your own site. I, unfortunately, have too much to do to start spending time somewhere else, but thank you for your offer. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
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