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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
Indeed we have not. But I would call it 'enlightenment' because I am reminded that the Dark Ages were a time of religious dominance, notably Christian -- witch hunts, heretic burnung and the like. Educational standards were nonexistant due to the clergy and a few nobles being the only ones literate.
Kindly explain how teaching evolution is comparable to that? And do you wish to return to such an existance?
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Siberia
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 09:12:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
Kindly explain how teaching evolution is comparable to that? And do you wish to return to such an existance?
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 09:35:14 [Permalink]
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I would rate Verlch a bit higher than Storm on the woo-woo scale.
So would I. That's not my point at all however. The point, simply, is that they are the same in their disregard of evidence and refusal to apply critical thinking and logic. verlch refuses to acknowledge the huge ammount of evidence that supports evolution, Storm refuses to acknowledge the huge ammount of evidence concerning energy and the fact that energy does not linger around...
Identicle thinking, different subjects.
And verlch.... the Branch Dividians were stockpiling weapons and ammunition in direct violation of federal and state laws. Their leader was a pedophile. So, in essence what you are saying is that you support the violation of federal laws and you praise a pedophile for raping children. Nice. I knew you had issues, but this is over the top from what I thought we could expect even from you.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Storm
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 10:51:17 [Permalink]
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I am not sure David Kuresh was a pedophile but he was sure makin it with all the ladies. And yes he was stockpiling weapons. He had an arsenal!!! Please do not compare we to the RR Verlch. I am nothing like him in my thinking or feelings!!!!!
Maybe Dude it's time to revise what we know as Energy?
Hypothesis must always be revised
But how? How do we measure the energy that comes off say a person under going stress like from a murder, suicide? How do we know energy does come off in the first place?
What do you mean energy does not hang around? Maybe not as a whole but as particles? So every once in a while these particles mix right with the environment and poof a ghostly phenomenon? Very hard to measure? But not so hard to understand? Energy does not die?
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 11:36:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
I hate to ask, I could look it up or guess, what is mammon?
Man.
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verlch
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 14:43:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by verlch
Jesus was created a Son of God as an Angel in heaven, before God the Father sent Him into this world to die as a man for the sins of the world, so that by faith we might also be with the Father! That is why His name is called Anceint of Days. Christ also has a name nobody knows except Himself! King of Kings and Lord of Lords He calls Himself.
I don't believe you! Show us chapter and verse, and I will concede that Jesus was the first born son in the universe.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 14:51:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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I would rate Verlch a bit higher than Storm on the woo-woo scale.
So would I. That's not my point at all however. The point, simply, is that they are the same in their disregard of evidence and refusal to apply critical thinking and logic. verlch refuses to acknowledge the huge ammount of evidence that supports evolution, Storm refuses to acknowledge the huge ammount of evidence concerning energy and the fact that energy does not linger around...
Identicle thinking, different subjects.
And verlch.... the Branch Dividians were stockpiling weapons and ammunition in direct violation of federal and state laws. Their leader was a pedophile. So, in essence what you are saying is that you support the violation of federal laws and you praise a pedophile for raping children. Nice. I knew you had issues, but this is over the top from what I thought we could expect even from you.
Here we have one guy that will believe anything the media feeds him. I'm not defending him or what he has done, but a liberal like you should be concerned about somebody getting killed for it! Seems like you will believe anything as long as it isn't Written in the bible. Maybe wait until he leaves the compound and capture him and take him to court! Judge him in court on how he broke the law. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 15:09:58 [Permalink]
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Please do not compare we to the RR Verlch. I am nothing like him in my thinking or feelings!!!!!
But you are exactly like him in this regard Storm. Your willfull disregard of evidence that contradicts what you want to believe and your refusal to apply logic, critical thinking, and scientific method to your inquiry.
It's not WHAT you think that makes you like verlch, but rather HOW you think.
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Maybe Dude it's time to revise what we know as Energy?
Hypothesis must always be revised
But how? How do we measure the energy that comes off say a person under going stress like from a murder, suicide? How do we know energy does come off in the first place?
What do you mean energy does not hang around? Maybe not as a whole but as particles? So every once in a while these particles mix right with the environment and poof a ghostly phenomenon? Very hard to measure? But not so hard to understand? Energy does not die?
If you want to revise the knowledge of energy, then you should first consider learning what is already known about energy. This statement by you demonstrates a profound ignorance of even basic knowledge concerning energy. You should, if you seriously want to revise our understanding of energy, first obtain am education in physics.
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Here we have one guy that will believe anything the media feeds him. I'm not defending him or what he has done, but a liberal like you should be concerned about somebody getting killed for it! Seems like you will believe anything as long as it isn't Written in the bible. Maybe wait until he leaves the compound and capture him and take him to court! Judge him in court on how he broke the law.
You're the one supporting the actions of a pedophile verlch. You're the one praising this guy. They gave this lunatic how many days to surrender? 51 days.
And verlch... you accusing anyone of credulity is so laughable that it's really not funny.... hypocrit.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Dude
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 15:18:59 [Permalink]
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I am not sure David Kuresh was a pedophile but he was sure makin it with all the ladies.
Then you did not pay attention when this was news. Koresh was having sex with many women, and little girls as young as 10 years old.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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verlch
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Posted - 01/10/2005 : 03:44:09 [Permalink]
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| So many big mouths the guy left the compound before the seige. Catch him then for breaking the law. Something I do not do or support. Although there are many staunch left wing bible hating liberals that think I am supporting Koresh I am not. I don't like the methods used to take him and to kill that many people. He killed 4 ATF agents how much jail time do you get for that, he was leaving the compound in a body bag. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/10/2005 : 04:35:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
So many big mouths the guy left the compound before the seige. Catch him then for breaking the law. Something I do not do or support. Although there are many staunch left wing bible hating liberals that think I am supporting Koresh I am not. I don't like the methods used to take him and to kill that many people. He killed 4 ATF agents how much jail time do you get for that, he was leaving the compound in a body bag.
Actually, I agree. I think that the whole thing could have been handled by a couple of deputy sheriffs politly serving a warrent at an opportune moment.
But that wouldn't have been much fun. The ATF and the FBI might have become bored -- yeesh!, what a fuckup on both sides.
By the bye, I don't hate the Bible. I just find that it's mostly fiction. I rather like good fiction. V, you really should try and get this 'hate' thing out of your skull, if only for the sake of your ulcer. Just because we don't much agree with you should not to be taken as hating you or your beliefs. What I hate are the outright lies waved at us constantly, too many of which you seem to embrace without the first investigation.
Oh, and I loath and despise GW Bush, from whence many of those lies originate.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 01/10/2005 : 06:06:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
My personal view judging by His status with God. Christ says He is the body and God the father is the head.
Ok, so you just made it up then, since it wasn't really written in the Bible.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 01/10/2005 : 08:28:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
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Originally posted by filthy
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We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
Kindly explain how teaching evolution is comparable to that? And do you wish to return to such an existance?
I bet V will blame it on one of those whacko conspiracies, Satan and the Catholic church.
Freemasons! Don't forget Freemasons!
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Storm
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Posted - 01/10/2005 : 09:01:42 [Permalink]
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profound ignorance
Profound maybe....
Ignorant definetly not.....
I could use some brush up on physics and energy...
I am working on that...
But to compare me to the ravings of a lunatic like Verlch{no offense V} is just outlandish....
Say what you want, think what you want, about my ideas about ghostly phenomenon and energy...
I think is not as far out as you might think....
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Your willfull disregard of evidence
Who's willfull disregard?
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This statement by you demonstrates a profound ignorance of even basic knowledge concerning energy
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/10/2005 : 10:39:57 [Permalink]
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Profound maybe....
Ignorant definetly not.....
Yes. Ignorant. And profoundly so. I don't want to be mean to you Storm, and I'm trying to not be. Ignorant means only lacking knowledge, not stupid.
The fact that you believe energy can "linger", without evidence, and in spite of volumes of evidence to the contrary (which states clearly that energy disperses rapidly) is why I call you ignorant. You refuse to acknowledge that you don't really know the first thing about energy.
And I didn't say you were like verlch totally, I said that you two THINK alike on a (excuse the pun) fundamental level. You both believe something that is unsupported by either evidence OR valid logical argument. You both refuse to even make yourself aware of the volumes of evidence that directly contradict your belief. In this way, you are alike in your thinking.
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Why? You tell me why? With your knowledge of energy! Why does not what I said seem plausabile!!!!!
As the claimant, the burden of proof (that energy lingers) is yours.
Energy disipates. This is a well known and well documented fact. When you flip off your lightswitch, does the light energy linger in the room? No. When you drop a boulder off a cliff, does the kinetic energy released hang around at the impact site? No. When you set off a nuclear bomb, does the heat/light energy hang around? No. When you dump water on a fire, does the fire's energy linger? No.
One fundamental problem we are having here, I think, is that you are using the term "energy" in the new-age woo-woo sense. Like the imaginary energy of crystals and auras ane other such nonsense.
Go over to your local college (you live in Tampa Bay, so there are several) HCC, USF, UT, ect. Take the math classes that are the pre-reqs for physics, then take the first two basic physics classes. Then maybe the basic chemistry and the basic biology class as well.
Seriously Storm. You will never be taken seriously unless you learn enough about what is already know about energy to be credible. Then you earn the right to formulate hypotheses that deviate from the body of observed evidence and/or suggest new theories.
And verlch... you are aware that the davidians set the fire inside their compound themselves? Yes, the entire situation was a massive screw-up by the FBI/ATF and Reno (who should have been fired, imo). Maybe the situation would have went down differently if a different approach was used, and then maybe not. Personally, I think a nightime raid with snipers to eliminate the davidian armed guards might have been a better option for attack, but they needed to be dealt with. Koresh was inside raping children, and they were sitting on a large stockpile of illegal weapons. Who knew they were insane enough to burn themselves and their children to death rather than be arrested? Religious fanatics....
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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