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verlch
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 Posted - 01/17/2005 : 22:00:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mathew
Okay I'm new here and read the Forum-rules to pay some respect!
The first thread I open shock me with a Flamewar and imature Blamegames
Verlich constantly referes to the Bibleverses and in return you insult him.
Instead of Question Him you Ought to bring up some Evidence of your Evolutionary belief
Verlch, I'm Verlchie to the hot chicks.
To me evolution is nothing but wishful thinking. There is way to much order to suggest that we came from organized chaos void of any thought or purpose.
I don't claim to be speaking for God. Are you speaking for Darwin? I speak for myself and my beliefs period. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 01/17/2005 : 23:00:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
To me evolution is nothing but wishful thinking.
To you, Evolution is a black box, which you have been told is bad, satanic lies. You know practically nothing about evolution other than a few pieces of facts here and there. You don't know enough to understand how it works.
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There is way to much order to suggest that we came from organized chaos void of any thought or purpose.
That's because I think you are confused about the used of oxymorons like 'organized chaos'.
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Are you speaking for Darwin?
Darwin just made the first draft of the theory of biological evolution. Just like any other science, the ToE evolve as more evidence and facts keep pouring in. Neither Molecular Biology nor DNA was discovered when Darwin wrote Origin of Spieces. But these have made many important contributions to ToE.
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Mathew
New Member
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Posted - 01/17/2005 : 23:57:35 [Permalink]
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| Can someone educated in Molcular biology explain the procces that evolved Aminoacid to DeoxiriboNucleinAcid? |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/18/2005 : 00:34:45 [Permalink]
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Can someone educated in Molcular biology explain the procces that evolved Aminoacid to DeoxiriboNucleinAcid
That's a whompin big question, and I'm not sure you have it phrased well.
I'm not really knowlegable enough in this area to help, I think.
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Starman
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Posted - 01/18/2005 : 00:48:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mathew
Can someone educated in Molcular biology explain the procces that evolved Aminoacid to DeoxiriboNucleinAcid?
Is there a particular part of this process that interest you?
This is a topic where there is much discussion, but RNA probably came before DNA. (Some viruses only have RNA)
Not really my field though, I recommend the search page of The Talk.Origins Archive.
This is also off topic here...
Of course like every other man of intelligence and education I do believe in organic evolution. It surprises me that at this late date such questions should be raised."
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Mathew
New Member
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Posted - 01/18/2005 : 10:38:15 [Permalink]
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Off Topic Dr. Mabuse states that discoveries of DNA and Molecular Biology made many contributions to ToE.
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Neither Molecular Biology nor DNA was discovered when Darwin wrote Origin of Spieces. But these have made many important contributions to ToE.
Starman: A Particular process that interest me is specificaly:
The Division of Cellular matter into, Golgiapparatus, Mitokondrie and Centrioli.
Please direct me to some usefull Whitepaper
I'm sorry to ask you; but even if that's not your special field maybe you could recommend someone with more expertis? |
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furshur
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Posted - 01/18/2005 : 13:20:52 [Permalink]
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Mathew asked:
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Starman: A Particular process that interest me is specificaly:
The Division of Cellular matter into, Golgiapparatus, Mitokondrie and Centrioli.
Your spelling of some of these term are not the english spelling so it is a little hard to follow but let me take a stab at it. I am not biologist but this was pretty easy to look-up on google.
Mitokondrie (Mitochondria?) actually have little to do with the division of cellular matter. The DNA of the mitochondria is not even the same as the host cell. Mitochondria divide on their own independent of the cell division.
The following are PDF files, I hope that is alright.
There is nothing too dramatic about the cell division and the centrioli (centriole?)
Centriole - http://stearnslab.stanford.edu/papers/centriole.pdf
The exact mechanism for division and the Golgiapparatus appears to be in qestion, though.
Golgiapparatus - http://www.brookes.ac.uk/schools/bms/research/molcell/hawes/Tansley_review.pdf!
See section III - 5
Why are you wondering about this stuff??
The only relationship I can see between these questions and this topic is; reproduction and "the Great Whore!"
edited to change II-5 to III-5.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 01/18/2005 : 19:20:56 [Permalink]
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What I meant was that when Darwin formulated the idea of common descent, noone knew that it was a macromolecule that passed on inheritable traits, and how that worked. Molecular biology have also been a big help in uncovering the secrets of how the cell works.
As for your question about aminoacids evolving into DNA, that is a separate field of research known as Abiogenesis. Not Theory of Biological Evolution through mutation and Natural Selection. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/18/2005 : 19:29:25 [Permalink]
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If you are looking for some contributions to ToE from the field of molecular biology, HERVs is a good place to start. (Human Endogenous Retro Virus)
Peptide did a nice writeup in this thread.
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3316
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 14:47:03 [Permalink]
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/210105devilhand.htm
Some more illumaniti hand gesturing!
http://forum.dearingfilm.com//index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=816
Pat Robertson doing some tigers paw gesturing...
http://www.grandlodgeoftexas.org/lions-paw.php
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 15:09:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/210105devilhand.htm
Some more illumaniti hand gesturing!
http://forum.dearingfilm.com//index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=816
Pat Robertson doing some tigers paw gesturing...
http://www.grandlodgeoftexas.org/lions-paw.php
I'm just gobsmacked.
The articles take a small fact (satanism has co-opted a hand sign to mean the devil from a sign meaning the horned god.) and then applies it to events to where the sign isn't even present. (Stewart Little poster shows the mouse giving the "Hang Loose" surfer sign, not the horned God symbol. Liz Taylor and several others are flashing the "I Love You" sign from American Sign Language.)
And, my God, Pat fucking Robertson is holding his lapel and all of a sudden it's some kind of "Lion's Paw" symbol.
Nice to have ya back, verlch. Haven't giggled this hard in a while. The premise is crap, as usual, but entertaining. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 15:20:43 [Permalink]
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Hi V, welcome back!
I have read that the so-called 'hook 'em' sign is used in some cultures to ward off the evil eye and/or witchcraft. But it never worked for me.
And Robertson is scratching his body lice and trying not to be too obvious about it. 
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furshur
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 15:22:02 [Permalink]
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I have the unicorn hand gesture right here for you, Verlich.
Welcome back.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 15:25:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mathew
OK, thnx maybe I will find some objective respons in the older threads then
Hi, Mathew. If you're looking for some of the earliest encounters Verlch had here at SFN, check this thread about fossilized trees as evidence against an old Earth, and this thread where his various unfounded assertions are listed (but tragically remain unfounded).
Once you're done with that, there's more-- if you're unconvinced-- about owls, Masons, and Babylon.
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verlch
SFN Regular
781 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2005 : 21:18:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/210105devilhand.htm
Some more illumaniti hand gesturing!
http://forum.dearingfilm.com//index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=816
Pat Robertson doing some tigers paw gesturing...
http://www.grandlodgeoftexas.org/lions-paw.php
I'm just gobsmacked.
The articles take a small fact (satanism has co-opted a hand sign to mean the devil from a sign meaning the horned god.) and then applies it to events to where the sign isn't even present. (Stewart Little poster shows the mouse giving the "Hang Loose" surfer sign, not the horned God symbol. Liz Taylor and several others are flashing the "I Love You" sign from American Sign Language.)
And, my God, Pat fucking Robertson is holding his lapel and all of a sudden it's some kind of "Lion's Paw" symbol.
Nice to have ya back, verlch. Haven't giggled this hard in a while. The premise is crap, as usual, but entertaining.
http://www.bronners.net/1001904.html
That's an I luv you in sign language. Rockers do the same thing on stage! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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