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verlch
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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  12:00:07  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
http://infowars.com/print/ps/partiort2_puzzle.htm


Well they wouldn't have to ask me twice to leave!!!

The proposal, they say, would grant the government the power to strip citizenship of native-born Americans and deport them without any evidence of wrongdoing, even though this would be contrary to the Constitution.

[Copy-and-paste of what's at the above link snipped - Dave W.]

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."

verlch
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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  12:04:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
The daughter of Babylon, mother of whores, has readied her cause against a sleeping humanity. Heave laden and a burdened population, unable to stop a beast bigger than not only one man, but the whole face of the deep! The 'Lord of the Flies' will soon have one language, one religion (Roman catholic, ruled by illumanti), one bank, one government (UN controlled by elitists of all creeds) , one taxation system, one currency. This is exactly the way it was before the tower of Babel! May God bless Israel and keep her in this time of desolation!

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  12:14:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Um Roman Catholic as the dominant religion? Never happen. Christian Evangelicals are more likely but still wont happen, might as well say 'when all the world becomes Atheist. And the UN as one world government? Please, when North Korea starts voting, then we can talk.

At least we agree that the PatII is trash.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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verlch
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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  12:21:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
Yeah man, they keep men in fear so we won't stop what they are doing!!! We have 150 million men in this country and 2000 of them are ruling the roost! God willing I'm sure somebody would like to stop them! They can imprison any percieved man that threatens their roost!Then you have to ask are they good or evil?

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2004 :  12:29:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

Um Roman Catholic as the dominant religion? Never happen. Christian Evangelicals are more likely but still wont happen, might as well say 'when all the world becomes Atheist. And the UN as one world government? Please, when North Korea starts voting, then we can talk.

At least we agree that the PatII is trash.

Yeh, for a minute there, I was firmly on verlch's side. Then came this:

quote:
The daughter of Babylon, mother of whores, has readied her cause against a sleeping humanity. Heave laden and a burdened population, unable to stop a beast bigger than not only one man, but the whole face of the deep! The 'Lord of the Flies' will soon have one language, one religion (Roman catholic, ruled by illumanti), one bank, one government (UN controlled by elitists of all creeds) , one taxation system, one currency. This is exactly the way it was before the tower of Babel! May God bless Israel and keep her in this time of desolation!


More Apocolypse. Phooy!


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  12:33:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Yeah man, they keep men in fear so we won't stop what they are doing!!! We have 150 million men in this country and 2000 of them are ruling the roost! God willing I'm sure somebody would like to stop them! They can imprison any percieved man that threatens their roost!Then you have to ask are they good or evil?

Voting Kerry and cleaning out Congress in Nov. might be a start. I might mention that there are also not a few highly qualified women around, some of them running for office.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Ricky
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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  12:45:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Yeh, for a minute there, I was firmly on verlch's side.


I agree. Did we just see a speck of light in the dark expanse of Verlch's mind?

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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verlch
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781 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2004 :  13:24:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy

quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Yeah man, they keep men in fear so we won't stop what they are doing!!! We have 150 million men in this country and 2000 of them are ruling the roost! God willing I'm sure somebody would like to stop them! They can imprison any percieved man that threatens their roost!Then you have to ask are they good or evil?

Voting Kerry and cleaning out Congress in Nov. might be a start. I might mention that there are also not a few highly qualified women around, some of them running for office.







Kerry is part of the elite power structure also. Somewhere in the past there is family history between Kerry and Bush. Goes way back.

I think Bush will win by more votes than before! Gore would have givin Bush more of a run I think.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2004 :  14:00:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Somewhere in the past there is family history between Kerry and Bush. Goes way back.


Woah, another assertion... what a surprise

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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verlch
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781 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2004 :  14:40:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky

quote:
Somewhere in the past there is family history between Kerry and Bush. Goes way back.


Woah, another assertion... what a surprise



http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1093595/posts

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1093595/posts

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
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USA
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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  15:39:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Erm, Bush lost the popular vote by better than 1/2 million. A combination of fraud (butterfly ballots, felon purges of non-felons, interrupted recounts, and so forth) and the Supreme Court put Bush in office.

I do not see Kerry as a homebrew messiah, but I do see him as a hell of a lot preferable to the incompetent, ethics-challenged scoundrel currently warming the chair.

I would not be particularly suprised to find that there was some sort of loose tie between the two, although likely not as individuals. Many of the longer established, wealthy families have them.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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verlch
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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  15:46:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
Where could you go in this world where you wouldn't be under the thumb of the global elite?

I don't think Gore and Bush run in the same circles. I think Bush has an even higher ranking than Gore! Somehow I think that played into him getting elected by the Supreme Court. I don't even think Gore and Kerry run in the same circles. Gore is a number 2 man to the Bush's and Clinton power structure.

Gore does not have the Roosterness to rule this roost. Athough Kerry does have quite the power with his wife, Spreading all that Hienz!!! lol...Something about Kerry when I watch him speak, makes him look as if he has taken double the meds. You see him on Leno and he looks like he's having fun! Bush has a more kingly stature than Kerry's huge, look face and sad eyes! Kerry would be somebody you would vote for if you had not seen him on TV.

Kerry's 1.5 trillion dollar health plan is enough to make me spit up blood. Who's going to pay for that? A tax refund? Free-health care is a great idea if Americans don't abuse it. Can you imagine my wives and free health care, they would be at the Dr for every minor pain and cough. I'm sure they would spend 10x the amount of free health care dollars as they paid in taxes. I wouldn't be too put back if they had a major medical health care plan, like if you chopped your hand off, or gouged out your eyes, that's one thing. But a health care plan for every dental visit and sprained ankle for 300 million American babies, no thanks!!!

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
Edited by - verlch on 09/29/2004 15:56:12
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  16:48:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Somewhere in the past there is family history between Kerry and Bush. Goes way back.

The same goes for you and Bush. Way back. Especially if you believe in the Bible.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Dude
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verlch, you start a topic bashing the PA2, then you suddenly start supporting the very assholes who are drafting it for legislation! (Ashcroft and the Justice Department... appointed by Bush)


WTF are you smoking again?


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Ricky
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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  18:15:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Something about Kerry when I watch him speak, makes him look as if he has taken double the meds. You see him on Leno and he looks like he's having fun! Bush has a more kingly stature than Kerry's huge, look face and sad eyes! Kerry would be somebody you would vote for if you had not seen him on TV.


Is this what the American voters are reduced to? "I don't like the looks of candidate X"? Verlch, maybe you should consider their positions instead of how appealing they look to you. Please.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  18:34:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Where could you go in this world where you wouldn't be under the thumb of the global elite?

I don't think Gore and Bush run in the same circles. I think Bush has an even higher ranking than Gore! Somehow I think that played into him getting elected by the Supreme Court. I don't even think Gore and Kerry run in the same circles. Gore is a number 2 man to the Bush's and Clinton power structure.

Gore does not have the Roosterness to rule this roost. Athough Kerry does have quite the power with his wife, Spreading all that Hienz!!! lol...Something about Kerry when I watch him speak, makes him look as if he has taken double the meds. You see him on Leno and he looks like he's having fun! Bush has a more kingly stature than Kerry's huge, look face and sad eyes! Kerry would be somebody you would vote for if you had not seen him on TV.

Kerry's 1.5 trillion dollar health plan is enough to make me spit up blood. Who's going to pay for that? A tax refund? Free-health care is a great idea if Americans don't abuse it. Can you imagine my wives and free health care, they would be at the Dr for every minor pain and cough. I'm sure they would spend 10x the amount of free health care dollars as they paid in taxes. I wouldn't be too put back if they had a major medical health care plan, like if you chopped your hand off, or gouged out your eyes, that's one thing. But a health care plan for every dental visit and sprained ankle for 300 million American babies, no thanks!!!

Prior to Bush taking office and blowing the national roll, a free health care plan for all citizens was certainly feasable. Now, in the short term at least, I dunno.

I would envision a plan that would give just the basics; no elective surgery (nose jobs, etc.).

We all boast about "The american Dream" but that can quickly turn from dream to hopless fantasy with merely a couple of shattered bones. And more and more, insurance premiums are putting health care out of the reach of the people who need it the most.

I myself, as a disabled veteran, get it all done for free (except nose jobs, etc.). I am currently all but house-bound and am due for yet more surgery next year on a service-related condition. I know all too well the value of health care. I'd be dead or in a charity asylum without it -- to me, the same, damned thing.

Surely our legislators can put aside their picayune differences and draft something that would protect those in the same shape as I, but yet not pander to the hypocondriac, if I've spelled that right. Of course, with the current administration, nothing like that will happen, funded or not.

I don't know where the money might come from. Further, I must look at the 1.5 trillion figure with doubt. At the moment, I don't think anyone knows what the costs might be. But I think it can be done. After all, the Reagan deficit looked hopeless and Bush senior helped it not at all. But Clinton managed to begin getting us out of it -- don't start! Even with all his faults and some big mistakes, Clinton served the country well. Had we a Congress that served someone other than themselves, we could have had some sort of basic plan then.

Think about it.

As for Kerry's appearence, he looks a little like Andrew Jackson. He also reminds me of the Disney version of the Mad Hatter. But who gives a bubonic rat's ass what he looks like as long as he can get the job done?! Right?


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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and Crypto-Communist!

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