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Siberia
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 Posted - 10/02/2004 : 08:48:23 [Permalink]
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Good luck in trying to find a tribe that doesn't know of Evolution AND believes in your God.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2004 : 12:06:09 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
Good luck in trying to find a tribe that doesn't know of Evolution AND believes in your God.
My brother-in-law makes fabulous cookies. So does my sister. Maybe they'll bake some for you. I'm busy resolving my Digital Systems homework.
May I have a cookie, nice lady?
No matter whare one goes, one takes along baggage. I do not think that verlch will find calm and piece even in the lands of the devout, whereever those might be.
Far better to study and understand what is precieved as a threat. Only with knowledge comes contentment.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2004 : 16:07:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
The bible says what does a man profit if he gains the whole world and looses his soul. God says to store your riches in Heaven and not earth. So the question is, can you take it with you when you die? No.
You ain't storing riches in heaven either the way you go about. If you even make it there, you'd be even poorer than me!
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I want to move out of this land, avoid Europe like the plague and live somewhere that they don't believe in Evolution! Evolution is for the monkies!
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2004 : 21:55:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I want to move out of this land, avoid Europe like the plague and live somewhere that they don't believe in Evolution! Evolution is for the monkies!
Are you so chicken shit about the whole evolution thing that you just have to be in a place where everyone follows your dumb Christian creationist model?
Us atheists, who live in a country wherein fewer than 10% agree with us regarding the spiritual world, seem to get along fine without living in a monolithic atheistic society. Is evolution so shoved down your throat that you need never to be reminded of it?
How, in your daily life (what do you do again (besides surf the internet for lame masonic-conspiracy websites)?) does evolution reguarly confront you? In what ways does it-- evolution-- have a negative impact? Would things be easier if your friends and co-workers belived in creationism? How so? |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 15:01:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
We don't have a standard where people put their hands on Origin of Species and say, "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me Darwin."
I bet most Christians don't even realize that the "so help me God" is just empty words for atheists (and possible agnostics too). |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 10/04/2004 : 13:22:19 [Permalink]
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| Christians tend to believe their God just leaks in through, don't know, osmosis or whatever. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
1278 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2004 : 17:23:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Ricky
We don't have a standard where people put their hands on Origin of Species and say, "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me Darwin."
I bet most Christians don't even realize that the "so help me God" is just empty words for atheists (and possible agnostics too).
So what should an atheist say? Any takers? |
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/04/2004 : 18:21:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Ricky
We don't have a standard where people put their hands on Origin of Species and say, "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me Darwin."
I bet most Christians don't even realize that the "so help me God" is just empty words for atheists (and possible agnostics too).
So what should an atheist say? Any takers?
So help me Goat? Or just, "So help me." Or maybe... no. Best not to go there. 
Actually, the hand on the book and oath are merely symbolic; a ceremony. There is no garentee that even the faithful will tell the 'whole' and 'nothing but.' It all depends upon an individual's moral and ethical standards. That's why there are contempt of court rules and why so many members of the judicial system have peptic ulcers.
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 01:16:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
So what should an atheist say? Any takers?
How about:
"I promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, under penalty of the laws of perjury."
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 07:18:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Ricky
We don't have a standard where people put their hands on Origin of Species and say, "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me Darwin."
I bet most Christians don't even realize that the "so help me God" is just empty words for atheists (and possible agnostics too).
So what should an atheist say? Any takers?
"So help me God" is an optional part of swearing in processes.
Atheists usually say, "I swear/affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth upon my honor."
It purveys the moral obligation of the affirmant to tell the truth and that the affirmant intends to tell the truth. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 08:12:16 [Permalink]
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| How about I swear to tell the truth or you can throw my ass in jail. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 11:21:28 [Permalink]
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Funny, witness oaths (at least as recited by the guy holding the book) often contain a God reference, but the juror's oath I took recently was devoid of any such. They did mention "under penalty of perjury", which to my mind is the crux of the biscuit...  |
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 14:14:21 [Permalink]
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Dr Mabuse wrote:
Actually, all Swedish citizens pay tax to the Swedish Lutheran Church, who provide funeral services for all.
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Actually, not everyone pays this tax. You pay this tax because of "presumed consent" - ie, they assume that you want to pay it. If you don't, all you have to do is write "Skattemyndigheten", I seem to remember, and save yourself 1% of your income. I did this myself over 10 years ago - not that it matters anymore since I now live in New Zealand and I pay my taxes here. If I return to Sweden though, I will still get buried (or burnt or whatever) there - there will just not be a priest present. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2004 : 17:36:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hawks
Actually, not everyone pays this tax. You pay this tax because of "presumed consent" - ie, they assume that you want to pay it. If you don't, all you have to do is write "Skattemyndigheten", I seem to remember, and save yourself 1% of your income.
A large part of the church tax is indeed opt-off, but I'm pretty sure there is still a part you have to pay, for administrative services, keeping geneologies(?) and stuff. In Swedish "folkbokföring". Maybe it has changed recently, I haven't had any reason to keep track of ir. |
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