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Siberia
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 Posted - 10/05/2004 : 10:57:20 [Permalink]
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The Portuguese and Swedish colonies didn't abolish slavery until later (1858 and 1843 respectively.).
Since Brazil was already independent, slavery was only abolished here on 1888.
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I'm not trying to say that other countries are perfect when it comes to history teaching. For example I've never heard about how Sweden and Portugal were both involved in slavetrading in Africa.
I did know that. I think it's mainly because most of our history, we were a colony, so the worse facts were not Brazil's fault, after all; we're fully aware of most of our flaws. Or at least, we think we are... -casts a suspicious look to her history books- |
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gezzam
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 16:59:31 [Permalink]
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O.K. guys, put the tin foil hats on....it's conspiracy time...
Was Dubya recieving instructions from elsewhere during the first debate???
http://www.isbushwired.com/
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 17:23:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by gezzam
O.K. guys, put the tin foil hats on....it's conspiracy time...
Was Dubya recieving instructions from elsewhere during the first debate???
http://www.isbushwired.com/
These people need to get out more
This has been kicking around the web for several days. While I wouldn't put it past Bush, I don't buy it. As I said eariler, the "let me finish" remark could and probably was nerves from Kerry's proximity and he feared an interuption.
I'd have to see a lot better evidence than thus far presented before I'd even consider the accusation.
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 17:27:44 [Permalink]
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As I said eariler, the "let me finish" remark could and probably was nerves from Kerry's proximity and he feared an interuption.
You people are all wrong. Can't you see he was talking to his pet demon? |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 19:56:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Another reminder: Edwards & Cheney on the jawbone at 9 EST.
So I thought that Cheney looked pretty good for the first 30 minutes or so, then Edwards finally stood up to the whole flip-flop charge and fought back. After that, Edwards really gave sharp answers and sounded like he knew what was going on. Towards the end, though, Edwards got a little flustered. Nevertheless, I think he held his own against Cheney, who, even if he's fucking evil, is fairly smart. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 01:05:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
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As I said eariler, the "let me finish" remark could be and probably was nerves from Kerry's proximity and he feared an interuption.
You people are all wrong. Can't you see he was talking to his pet demon?
(hehehe), I think you've hit it.
Someone needs to tell the fool that hearing disembodied voices is never a good sign.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 01:06:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by filthy
Another reminder: Edwards & Cheney on the jawbone at 9 EST.
So I thought that Cheney looked pretty good for the first 30 minutes or so, then Edwards finally stood up to the whole flip-flop charge and fought back. After that, Edwards really gave sharp answers and sounded like he knew what was going on. Towards the end, though, Edwards got a little flustered. Nevertheless, I think he held his own against Cheney, who, even if he's fucking evil, is fairly smart.
Agreed.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 06:13:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by filthy
Another reminder: Edwards & Cheney on the jawbone at 9 EST.
So I thought that Cheney looked pretty good for the first 30 minutes or so, then Edwards finally stood up to the whole flip-flop charge and fought back. After that, Edwards really gave sharp answers and sounded like he knew what was going on. Towards the end, though, Edwards got a little flustered. Nevertheless, I think he held his own against Cheney, who, even if he's fucking evil, is fairly smart.
Cheney won the debate on style and alledged content. Not by a landslide, but he did win. However, he made at least two statements which will probably come back to haunt him. Chris Matthews and his staff, after slapping around the Democratic spin monkeys, went after the Republican spin monkeys with a vengance over Cheney saying that he never said there was a link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11. Matthews staff quickly found a Meet The Press interview where he intimated it.
The second one was when Cheney claimed to have never met Edwards before tonight. Edwards wife corrected him on stage that he had met her husband on three seperate occasions.
(joke start)
For the next Presidential debate, Bush will sit on Cheney's lap and Cheney will have to drink a glass of water sometime during Bush's response.
(joke end)
I don't see a huge potential for Bush to get much of a bounce from the debate. It's up to Bush now. I'll laugh my ass off if he fumbles like he did in the first debate. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 06:48:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Cheney won the debate on style and alledged content. Not by a landslide, but he did win.
I dunno. Cheney hammered away at some basic issues of the apparent flip-flopping nature of Kerry, but most of those are trumped up lies or distortions. Edwards finally/ noted, at least in part, that the $87 billion thing is largely distortion, and also finally brougt up the fact that Cheney, while Secretary of Defense, was all about eliminating Cold War era weapons systems that he now ribs Kerry for voting to cut. Unfortunately, by the end of the night Cheney still brought up the voting-for-the-war-but-against-the-troops thing even though it was basically explained by Edwards. Perhaps he thinks that the American public is too stupid to figure it out. Perhaps he's (sadly) right.
Cheney might have had a slight edge on style, but that's not what matters. Or it shouldn't, anyways. On the issues, he looked largely worse. One big score was when Cheney noted that he's a better VP candidate because he has no higher political aspirations. But then, what's higher than being Shadow PResident?  |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 07:22:25 [Permalink]
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In the grand scheme of our smidge of the universe, I don't think this debate will make a lot of difference. It might have if one or the other had made a total ass of himself, as did Bush last Thursday, but as it stands, it is a minor ripple on the pond.
I agree that Cheney had style, putting across the calm image that he was in charge and there was nothing to get excited about. But I think Edwards had content. He didn't have to repeat tired, old fabrications.
Perhaps in the short run, Cheney won (I don't agree). But in the long haul, when folks have had time to think about it, he just might have lost large.
We'll see.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 08:37:05 [Permalink]
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The Rude Pundit waxth eloquent:
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O, how Edwards wrestled the Devil last night. How he confronted the Devil with facts and strength and courage. It really is the only way to truly wrestle the Devil. And the best one can hope for when one wrestles the Devil is a draw, 'cause the Devil will always lie and connive and kick you in the nuts and bite your nose and piss on your face in order to win. When the Devil accused Edwards of demeaning the contribution of Iraqis to the "peace" effort in that country, the Rude Pundit thought the Devil might take another tasty soul to Hell. But Edwards fought back, showing the world the evil the Devil was trying to hide. When Edwards said, "He voted against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of Nelson Mandela in South Africa," the Devil was grimly shaken, caught, for just a second, in his own web of deceit.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 10:08:00 [Permalink]
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Democracy Now had a nice analysis of the debate this AM. Seems like Edwards should have had an earpiece from Kerry to fill him in on the 'evil one's' track record on his Central American exploits during the Reagan years. Seems their web site is down right now but try this link later and you can find the transcript.
www.democracynow.org
Edit follow up. Well there is no transcript, but the audio file can be replayed. It's an hour program.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 03:12:52 [Permalink]
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Reminder folks (as if anybody really needs one): The Smirk vs. The Beanpole, round two, at 9:00 EST tonight.
If I am not mistaken, the topic will be the economy, or what little's left of it.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 10/08/2004 : 13:54:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Reminder folks (as if anybody really needs one): The Smirk vs. The Beanpole, round two, at 9:00 EST tonight.
If I am not mistaken, the topic will be the economy, or what little's left of it.
Actually, I think that this is a so-called "town hall" debate where undecided and "soft" voters (that is, voters who are only luke warm towards one candidate or the other) will ask the questions.
This plays to different strengths. Kerry should actually be able to answer questions that are difficult or require thought. Bush can use his charm while repeating phrases like "it's hard!" to describe the choices he's had to make. ("Hmmmm... tax cuts for the rich, or really big tax cuts for the rich...?") |
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