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Siberia
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Last sunday it was election day for us. We voted for prefects and a couple other minor charges. A candidate for vice-prefect's 12-year-old daughter disappeared that day while her father was out to vote. Apparently, she went with him but a neighbour lady brought her back, and after that she disappeared.
Today, this old man shows up claiming he had a vision while he prayed. He pointed to the police where the girl's body was - bang, police went there and found her. He declares himself a very Christian person and that he was praying to find her... well, he went there to see and there she was. Dead. That's what he claims.
He knew the child's family, but he didn't inform them of his dream. Instead, he went straight to the police AFTER checking to see if the girl's body was really there. It was found in an obscure, forest-y area. He says the girl often went to his place for a coffee or whatever. The police doesn't know who could've killed the kid, or why.
I don't know why, but I find that very, very suspicious...
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Edited by - Siberia on 10/07/2004 15:18:08
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Ricky
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Posted - 10/07/2004 : 15:30:13 [Permalink]
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| Yeah, the police seems to consider him a suspect as well... and the body was in a really obscure place for one to stumble upon - then again, anything's possible. |
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Ricky
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/07/2004 : 16:55:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Yeah, the police seems to consider him a suspect as well... and the body was in a really obscure place for one to stumble upon - then again, anything's possible.
Well, not anything. The one thing that can be ruled out is that he received a vision while praying to Christ that led him directly to the dead girl's body in an obscure spot in the woods.
Since that's impossible, it's a lie. But as Ricky says, he may have other motives for lying than being directly guilty of her murder.
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filthy
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Posted - 10/07/2004 : 17:05:06 [Permalink]
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As the guy was aquainted with the victim, or at least the family, I would certainly suspect him. There is, of course the state of his sanity to consider.
I agree with Ricky.
Edited 'cause I misread the OP, like a big dummy.
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/07/2004 : 18:41:20 [Permalink]
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I didn't watch all of it, just saw glimpses of the place, but I believe it was inside a stone/brick kind of shack in a quite dense forest. Whatever that weird construction was, it was overtaken by weed and such. I'll see if I can snatch some pictures tomorrow - gotta check the web, since I saw it on TV, and see what they have to say.
Apparently the man's well known and respected among his acquaintances, but I wouldn't doubt anything. He's being interrogated by police. When interviewed through phone, he started to cry and get all nervous. He even started shouting those bombastic phrases christians often shout when they're under pressure. I won't accuse the poor man, though, being interrogated with a suspicion of murder would wreck my nerves.
The poor kid, though. She looked adorable.
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filthy
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Posted - 10/07/2004 : 19:43:42 [Permalink]
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Yes, so sad. I read similar all too often, from all over the world.
But perhaps he's innocent. Perhaps he's just a slightly unbalanced aquaintance who had the misfortune to stumble across the body.
Do follow the story and let us know how it comes out.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/08/2004 : 06:40:58 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
Last sunday it was election day for us. We voted for prefects and a couple other minor charges. A candidate for vice-prefect's 12-year-old daughter disappeared that day while her father was out to vote. Apparently, she went with him but a neighbour lady brought her back, and after that she disappeared.
Today, this old man shows up claiming he had a vision while he prayed. He pointed to the police where the girl's body was - bang, police went there and found her. He declares himself a very Christian person and that he was praying to find her... well, he went there to see and there she was. Dead. That's what he claims.
He knew the child's family, but he didn't inform them of his dream. Instead, he went straight to the police AFTER checking to see if the girl's body was really there. It was found in an obscure, forest-y area. He says the girl often went to his place for a coffee or whatever. The police doesn't know who could've killed the kid, or why.
I don't know why, but I find that very, very suspicious...
I dunno. I really like him for the murder, though.
I think if the police want to know why the child was killed, they should ask the old man and look into his prior history with the family.
If you don't mind me asking, was the girl sexually assaulted? Might be the motive for a pedophile to kill someone. Another would be a grudge between the old man and some past political percieved slight from the aspiring vice-prefect. If he's mentally unbalanced, he might have done the murder in a dissociative episode and then revealed to himself that he did the murder "in a dream".
But without further evidence, all this is speculation.
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/08/2004 : 08:07:42 [Permalink]
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Ah, I found the written case from a decent source (that news show wasn't that trustworthy). Here's what Folha Online has to say on that case (some info has been corrected as well).
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The student Emilie Perez de Souza, 10, was found dead by the dawn of this thursday in Rio Grande da Serra (Grande São Paulo). She is daughter of the city's vice-prefect candidate, Nilson Gonçalves de Souza (PL), and had been missing since sunday, when the municipal elections occurred.
The hypothesis that the crime had political motivations is being investigated, though considered unlikely. The greatest suspicion is that some acquaintance of the victim is involved in the murder.
According to delegate Sérgio Simionato, Emilie's parents are owners of two markets of the area and declared they received no threats and have no enemies.
The body was found by a rural worker in the proximities of a (insert term for a area covered in bamboo and wild weed). The girl has been killed with cuts on the neck and chest. It is not yet possible to affirm if there was sexual violence or not.
According to the father, he saw the girl for the last time by 4pm on Sunday, when she went into the school to drink. He also said that after that he didn't notice his daughter's ausence because he thought she was with one of her brothers. A neighbour declared she'd taken the child home by 4:30pm on the same day. The parents only went to the Civil Police on the next day.
Phonecalls
The family received anonymous phonecalls at least three times during the period of her girl's disappearance. The caller remained in silence during all three calls. No ransom notes or calls.
Police will request a record of the phonecalls to find out where did they came from.
From this source, no reference to the alleged vision/word of God to the person who found the body... they took his fingerprints, though. Another source says she was found naked in the shack, inside a plastic bag, with her clothes being in another bag. Perhaps she was raped and killed by some deranged pedophilic? Not necessarely the same person who called the cops after the 'dream', but... |
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Posted - 10/08/2004 : 09:28:17 [Permalink]
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quote:
He declares himself a very Christian person and that he was praying to find her... well, he went there to see and there she was. Dead. That's what he claims.
Not to make lite of this tragedy, but it's too bad that prayer only allowed them to find the girl dead. I wonder if he prayed better, or if more people had been praying, would she have been found alive.
Again this is tragic, but the way the religious come out of the woodwork and claim miracles... it just gets on my nerves.
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/08/2004 : 09:39:09 [Permalink]
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| True. That isn't very helpful to pray and get to the child when it's already too late... |
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 10/09/2004 : 22:54:55 [Permalink]
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From the facts as presented, the guy who found the body did it, it has all the classic earmarks. It's about the same as John Ramsey getting tired of the police not searching the house so he goes and pretends to discover his dead daughter in a basement room.
The clues:
He knows the girl.
It looks like the girl disappeared from her home, if the neighbor took her home.
Several days go by and no girl found.
The guy gets impatient and claims to have been led to the body by prayer.
OK, so why would he have checked to see if the body was there? That is too fishy. To have found the body is fishy. It doesn't take rocket science to put this one together.
Why the parents would wait a day to report their missing child is odd, but perhaps there was an unmentioned reason. |
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/10/2004 : 14:04:42 [Permalink]
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| They might've thought she was with a friend or so... who knows? The police's investigating him, though. But why would he kill the kid? I'm thinking pedophilia gone mad. After all, she was found naked with her clothes neatly packed - this is no random psychotic action. |
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/10/2004 : 15:36:55 [Permalink]
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| The media's being frustratingly quiet about it now. I think because it wasn't someone important's daughter they won't keep us tuned with the investigations. It also wasn't brutal enough. Except that quirky old man, we've nothing the media would hop onto. |
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