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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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 Posted - 09/18/2001 : 21:56:03 [Permalink]
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Iranian A300 - I'm going to assume that you are referring to the passenger plane that was warned against entering airspace around a US Battle Group in International waters. Um, maybe you didn't hear, but the bodies that were recovered had no clothes on, weren't in appearance alive when the aircraft was shot down and that that aircraft was squaking a military code on IFF. It appears this was a tailor made propaganda against the US. Now what sick government kills two hundred of its own citizens just to make someone else look bad?
Trish, I have never read that. Where can I find this information?
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 09/19/2001 : 00:16:36 [Permalink]
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I definately remember the naked bodies. They had clear shots of that on TV. Not close ups fortunately. There was also an excellent Frontline about this a few years ago.
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bestonnet_00
Skeptic Friend
Australia
358 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2001 : 01:43:08 [Permalink]
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I didn't hear any of what Trish said about the A300 and would like to see a source on it.
As for laying blame and making excuses. I'm not doing that. Nothing other then the US nuking an entire country off the map for the fun of it would be a valid excuse for killing > 4 000 people. I somehow don't think that happened and it probably wont happen.
What I was asking was did US policy in part or in full cause the attacks. Had the US taken a more active stance trying to stop the trouble in the middle east instead of just siding with Isreal most of the time it may have been averted.
As for Iraq. Not taking that place over was a big mistake. If the dictator had been disposed of then there would have been no need for sanctions and a Marshall Plan like system could have been implemented on Iraq.
As for preseving your own interests. Yes everyone has that right but it is not absolute (or at least shouldn't be). If your interests run counter to the majority interests then usually you have to yield to the majority.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 09/19/2001 : 08:12:37 [Permalink]
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As for preseving your own interests. Yes everyone has that right but it is not absolute (or at least shouldn't be). If your interests run counter to the majority interests then usually you have to yield to the majority.
In other words, "Might makes right". Isn't that what you're criticizing the U.S. for seemingly believing in their foreign policy?
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 09/19/2001 : 08:47:36 [Permalink]
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While I fully agree that a more responsible, thought out foreign policy would reduce the chance of terroroitst attacks on the US I do acknowlege that you can't please everyone all the time. Eventually, you are going to side with someone and someone else is going to be pissed off about it.
Mistakes were made, however, and a big mistake has been the American way of thinking that we were never going to face repricussions for our governments policies. This is time not to give the government more freedom to act stupidly. This is like saying, "Yeah, lets get that hornets nest sirred up more than it is already." We need to have our military free to defend us but not so free that it can get us into messes like this for no reason.
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Greg
Skeptic Friend
USA
281 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2001 : 08:55:38 [Permalink]
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I don't think that anyone here is blaming the US for the tragedies of Sept 11. The real problem is that we have created a situation in numerous places overseas where a meglomaniac such as Bin Laden can easily find enough individuals to die for the cause of destroying "American imperialism". I think that those who suggest that the CIA hire and train even bigger scumbags than Bin Laden in order to get rid of him ought to think before they suggest that. If we hire and train someone even more ruthless than Bin Laden, the blowback will be even more severe.
Has the US acted as imperialists since WWII? Yes, and that is just the excuse these people need. Is it really in the PEOPLE of the US' interest for our government to act as imperialists? I say no.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 09/20/2001 : 19:26:24 [Permalink]
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Hmm, sources - well I hope someone will be kind enough to look up the Frontline report. My information all came from Military Message Traffic. I know that this was reported on 60 Minutes or 20/20 also. You want to wade through the FIA be my guest, I don't feel like it.
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bestonnet_00
Skeptic Friend
Australia
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Posted - 09/22/2001 : 00:19:43 [Permalink]
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TD: Majority over minority is more accurate then Might makes Right.
The key to decideing on policies is to try to benefit the most people whilst also limiting the detriments to the few that don't get a net benefit. It can be very hard to do.
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