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Plyss
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Mathew
New Member
Sweden
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 Posted - 01/19/2005 : 13:14:43 [Permalink]
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Dave W.
After reading your link to "The Wedge Strategy" I will consider me Anti-ID.
It describes a plan of Indoctrination witch perhaps will lead to the creation of a Theocraty if it succeds.
Nobody tells me what to believe! My Beliefe are personal and built on own experiences.
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it poses no threat to my everlasting soul
So you Believe you have a Soul, or could you present some Evidence?
Dr. Mabuse (Gaffa).
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Originally posted by Mathew
Sceptics: I am a sceptic and a Beliver, why should I else linger here?
Contradictory?
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To me is seems contradictory.
If I explain it this way: Sceptic before Believing and/or Sceptic/Believing in different subjects.
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As such, the result is too much depended on personal bias and wishful thinking. My conclusion is that there is yet no evidence of God.
When I was little I thought one could get in connection with Jesus by Either strictly follow the words in the Bibel or follow my brief feelings
I was seriously Humiliated and devoid of trust.
But the peace in my heart allways remained more or less...
I tried Everything I could imagine to find the source of the peace!
Fasting and trying to live in perfect rightiousness.
Sinning and Blasphemeing.
Teasing and trying every logical or Philosofical approach to get a reaction
It wasn't before I surrendered and cried my heart out in hopelessnes I've got His attention
The Evidence lies in the trust that He's allways with me that I feel in my Heart.
Mathew, member of Mullsjö Pentecoastal Church.
See you at www.HiFiForum.nu Gaffa!
Furshur.
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Faith comes into play when we have no evidence or understanding for something and yet we beilieve.
Furshur, I admitt It's a major obstacle to measure something Supernatural.
For example, if we analyse the Statement in the Bibel that "We are created in his Image".
An Image can't ever Be the same as the object represented.
It will allways lack some Dimension of reality.
A picture of a person has only 2 dimensions.
A statue lacks Complex Biological properties, and so on.
As you surely know, Stringtheory has arisen the need to visualize and analyse the properties and behaviour of strings that presumably has more dimensions than used in conventional mathematics.
We have to see what future discoveries brings us, if we live by then
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 01/19/2005 : 13:24:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mathew
It wasn't before I surrendered and cried my heart out in hopelessnes I've got His attention
Tried that. I'll admit it brought me peace - but whether it was simply because I surrendered, unloaded all my emotions in tears and some pillow-spanking and eventually became exhausted and in terms with myself, or because of divine intervention... |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 01/19/2005 : 13:35:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mathew
After reading your link to "The Wedge Strategy" I will consider me Anti-ID.
Okay.quote:
It describes a plan of Indoctrination witch perhaps will lead to the creation of a Theocraty if it succeds.
I'm sure many of the people involved in ID would prefer a theocracy, so long as the theology involved matches their own.quote:
Nobody tells me what to believe! My Beliefe are personal and built on own experiences.
Good for you.quote:
So you Believe you have a Soul, or could you present some Evidence?
You misunderstand. I don't believe in souls at all, I was playing Devil's Advocate. Those who believe a soul wouldn't feel threatened by a burnt-out lightbulb. Your analogy between God and a lightbulb trivializes the tenets of the Christian faith. Your own faith, it appears.quote:
It wasn't before I surrendered and cried my heart out in hopelessnes I've got His attention
And that isn't evidence which can be shared by any other person, nor can it be examined in any objective or logical way. It is not a "test" which would be acceptable to a skeptic.quote:
The Evidence lies in the trust that He's allways with me that I feel in my Heart.
Evidence of your faith in God is nothing more than evidence of your faith in God. It is not evidence that God actually exists. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2005 : 15:52:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mathew
Dr. Mabuse (Gaffa).
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To me is seems contradictory.
If I explain it this way: Sceptic before Believing and/or Sceptic/Believing in different subjects.
Ah... Now that makes more sense. Actually, I never had much trouble accepting evolution while I was still a Christian.
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Mathew, member of Mullsjö Pentecoastal Church.
See you at www.HiFiForum.nu Gaffa!
So you came here thanks to my presentation of Skeptic Friends Network at HiFiForum?
That's really cool.
Are you using the same nick there as here?
And finally, Welcome! I hope your stay here will be a productive one. If you at some point get uncomfortable discussing religion, there are other folders too... 
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Starman
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Sweden
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Starman
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Sweden
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2005 : 15:57:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Not that it was able to lower my opinion about the misinformer of the year, but its good for a laugh.
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