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Excellent points, Tom.
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Originally posted by tomk80
No they don't. The skeptic society doesn't care one bit, since this is just a JREF internal affair, nothing to do with the validity of skepticism or the validity of earlier reports published by Randi or the JREF.
Or later reports published by Randi or the JREF. Or any reports, for that matter. After all, the biggest reasonable accusation one could make about the matter is that the JREF money management is a little on the sloppy side. And that, of course, doesn't substantially affect their ability to be skeptics.quote:
JREF donators probably don't care one bit either, since this is something that happened in days gone by, and the requirements for grants were clarified due to the criticism. So the donators know of the procedures already.
Just to clarify this: "days gone by" means "June of 2004."quote:
Now I ask again. Why should anyone of us care?
None of us should give a damn about that old JREF stuff. I've only been involved as much as I have 'cause I find it a small challenge to hit a moving target like latinijral (and I nailed him a couple times recently). But as Kil has chided me in private, this entire subject has run its course. Answering latinijral doesn't further our mission here. He has long since stopped being an interesting and new "how not to be a skeptic" example, mostly because his "arguments" (such as they are) have gotten repetitive and stale.
So, unless he comes up with something new, I'm done with him. If he continues in the same vein, pissing off the administrators, he won't be long for this forum, anyway. |
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latinijral
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Posted - 03/05/2005 : 20:23:33 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by tomk80
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
The skeptic society.
The JREF donators that could be lurking here. .
No they don't. The skeptic society doesn't care one bit, since this is just a JREF internal affair, nothing to do with the validity of skepticism or the validity of earlier reports published by Randi or the JREF. .
Now you agree that there is a skeptic society.
Are you speaking in name of the skeptic society?
The JREF is a skeptic organization that is part of the skeptic society.
If something happened ( internal affair) with donators money ,then it should be known in other sceptics organizations …….like this one.
quote:
Originally posted by tomk80
JREF donators probably don't care one bit either, since this is something that happened in days gone by, and the requirements for grants were clarified due to the criticism. So the donators know of the procedures already. .
When you wrote “JREF donators probably don't care”, you are opening a possibility that they probably care.
The most the scandal is known , the most that potential donators can take their choise.
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Originally posted by tomk80
Now I ask again. Why should anyone of us care? .
Read all the above.
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Originally posted by tomk80
And to add to that. What is this 'new skepticism' of yours? And why should I embrace it? .
Make a topic about it and satisfy your curiosity.
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SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/05/2005 : 20:33:52 [Permalink]
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Yeah, pretty repetive. And, as this ridiculous topic can reach no conclusion, it has indeed run it's course. Latinijral appears to be simply a one-trick pony and not a particularly interesting one. It's become hard to take him seriously.
Ah well.
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latinijral
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Posted - 03/05/2005 : 21:23:18 [Permalink]
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tomk80
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/05/2005 : 21:33:17 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
quote:
Originally posted by tomk80
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
The skeptic society.
The JREF donators that could be lurking here. .
No they don't. The skeptic society doesn't care one bit, since this is just a JREF internal affair, nothing to do with the validity of skepticism or the validity of earlier reports published by Randi or the JREF. .
Now you agree that there is a skeptic society.
Are you speaking in name of the skeptic society?
I would posit that there is indeed a skeptic society. A large number of people trying to be skeptics. However, that all it is. It is not a collective like a church with a central structure. It is just a large number of people calling themselves skeptics. I cannot speak in it's name, however, I can observe. And I've observed here that noone cares one bit what happened there. Some have been trying to actually have you provide some proof for your allegations out of some sort of morbid or masochistic curiousity, but it is clear from their posts that they couldn't care one bit whether it would be false or true.
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The JREF is a skeptic organization that is part of the skeptic society.
If something happened ( internal affair) with donators money ,then it should be known in other sceptics organizations …….like this one.
Why? What could SFN possibly benefit from knowing about some internal affair in the JREF?
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quote:
Originally posted by tomk80
JREF donators probably don't care one bit either, since this is something that happened in days gone by, and the requirements for grants were clarified due to the criticism. So the donators know of the procedures already. .
When you wrote “JREF donators probably don't care”, you are opening a possibility that they probably care.
The most the scandal is known , the most that potential donators can take their choise.
Yes, their might be a possibility. However, the scandal is past time, Latin, and the rules have been clarified. So the only thing they can get out of knowing this is that there has been a 'scandal' and that rules were clarified accordingly. If anything, it will only add to the reliability of the JREF.
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Originally posted by tomk80
Now I ask again. Why should anyone of us care? .
Read all the above.
Which says nothing. Why should SFN know about an internal affair at the JREF? What could SFN benefit? You have not provided any answers to that. What could JREF donators get from this information if the rules have been clarified following the affair? You have not provided any answers to that either. Again, you have provided nothing but empty retoric, as in all your other posts.
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Originally posted by tomk80
And to add to that. What is this 'new skepticism' of yours? And why should I embrace it? .
Make a topic about it and satisfy your curiosity.
There are already two topics were people are asking you this question, and it has already been asked you multiple times in this topic. You can answer it here. Cough up. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 02:54:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by latinijral
Touche!!!!!!!
Indeed. Now, what do you do for an encore?
Oh, wait.... Before you can do an encore, you must first have an act. Can you juggle?
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 05:35:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by latinijral
The JREF is a skeptic organisation that is part of the skeptic society.
If something happened ( internal affair) with donators money ,then it should be known in other sceptics organizations …….like this one.
And we have listened, examined the arguments you have submitted.
Our conclusion (and there seems to be consensus among SFN about this since none has spoken up on your side) has been: We don't care what happened at JREF.
Now, realise that anything further from your part only serves to make us think of you as a raving loonie. For the sake of SFN, and your image and mental health, please move on.
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latinijral
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 12:26:19 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
For the record:
Here Luxferum (JREF forum moderator) publish Moefox porn picture.
http://mu.nu/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=2524&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100&sid=8c1fcaeac911593bf28702698e4e8728
Luxferum quote:
And Here is Moe Faux
Moe faux quote:
Hey, I earned three dancing bananas! Thanks Lux.
Hmph. Apparently, the site wants me to register. I don't feel like registering.
How 'bout you give us a brief but detailed description, then answer the following question:
So what?
Edited to add: hey, neat icon! Reminds me of the last time I was at Sturgis.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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tomk80
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 12:27:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
For the record:
Here Luxferum (JREF forum moderator) publish Moefox porn picture.
http://mu.nu/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=2524&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100&sid=8c1fcaeac911593bf28702698e4e8728
Luxferum quote:
And Here is Moe Faux
Moe faux quote:
Hey, I earned three dancing bananas! Thanks Lux.
So what? We already know she was a stripper. This adds precisely zilch for your argument. In fact, that you post it reveals you as a jerk with a personal feud against her, not as someone wanting to tell us the truth about something. |
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latinijral
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 12:52:01 [Permalink]
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 13:27:32 [Permalink]
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Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 13:34:04 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
<icon removed>
For the record:
Here Luxferum (JREF forum moderator) publish Moefox porn picture.
http://mu.nu/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=2524&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100&sid=8c1fcaeac911593bf28702698e4e8728
Luxferum quote:
And Here is Moe Faux
Moe faux quote:
Hey, I earned three dancing bananas! Thanks Lux.
If I want to see tits, I can ask my girlfriend: I'll get it live.
What's the point of doing this, except slinging mud at MoeFaux?
A gentleman would never do a thing like that, you behave just like a bully and a sore loser. Contempt is all I have for you for this.
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latinijral
Banned
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 14:56:52 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Tomk80
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
Now you agree that there is a skeptic society.
Are you speaking in name of the skeptic society?
I would posit that there is indeed a skeptic society. A large number of people trying to be skeptics. However, that all it is. It is not a collective like a church with a central structure. It is just a large number of people calling themselves skeptics. I cannot speak in it's name, however, I can observe.
The SFN is a central structure where a large number of people are trying and pretending to be sceptics.
The JREF is a central structure where a large number of people are trying and pretending to be sceptics.
It is a collective like a church.
When a large number of people are calling themselves skeptics it does not mean they ARE skeptics. It is just a pseudo skepticism.
When YOU wrote this : “The skeptic society doesn't care one bit, since this is just a JREF internal affair”, YOU pretended to speak in the name of the skeptic society.
Next time just show your particular opinion and don't do the same mistakes pseudo skepticks do so often.
quote:
Originally posted by Tomk80
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
The JREF is a skeptic organization that is part of the skeptic society.
If something happened ( internal affair) with donators money ,then it should be known in other sceptics organizations …….like this one.
Why? What could SFN possibly benefit from knowing about some internal affair in the JREF?
If both are central structures with a large number of people trying and pretending to be skeptics, they should know about the mistakes they did, in order to don't make the same mistakes.
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Originally posted by Tomk80
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
When you wrote “JREF donators probably don't care”, you are opening a possibility that they probably care.
The most the scandal is known , the most that potential donators can take their choise.
Yes, their might be a possibility. However, the scandal is past time, Latin, and the rules have been clarified. So the only thing they can get out of knowing this is that there has been a 'scandal' and that rules were clarified accordingly. If anything, it will only add to the reliability of the JREF.
The rules where NOT clarified, The rules where CHANGED after the scandal in order to justify their mistake.
JREF Donators where the one who protested about it.
Those donators where insulted.
The most the scandal is known , the most the future JREF potential donators can take their choise.
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latinijral
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 14:58:12 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by latinijral
Originally posted by latinijral
The JREF is a skeptic organisation that is part of the skeptic society.
If something happened ( internal affair) with donators money ,then it should be known in other sceptics organizations …….like this one.
And we have listened, examined the arguments you have submitted.
Our conclusion (and there seems to be consensus among SFN about this since none has spoken up on your side) has been: We don't care what happened at JREF.
Now, realise that anything further from your part only serves to make us think of you as a raving loonie. For the sake of SFN, and your image and mental health, please move on.
Another credulous poster who thinks he is spoken in name of the SFN (like a “holy skeptic church”) without any evidence.
This in an open forum for lurkers and potential donators of the JREF that has the right to know about the scandal happened at the JREF with the donator's money.
They will decide.
If you feel piss off because I brought the topic , then make your money be a “good example” to your “dudes”. Donate to the JREF.
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