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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 02/03/2005 : 13:35:17 [Permalink]
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What smells bad is your silly assumption that strippers or people who worked with Penn are somehow unable to make an outstanding contribution to skepticism. And frankly anyone working to advance the goals of Jref or scientific understanding would qualify as such.
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"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 13:38:16 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
You made your points and your opinion about what happenned.
See? You didn't have to close the thread just beacuse some Randi's fanatics began to hijack the thread.
I really wish you'd stop with your blatent lies that the people posting here are "fanatics" for Randi. The reality is that many here either a) had no knowledge of Randi before you started posting here, or b) were only vaguely aware of him. The reason most people here haven't bought into your sob story hook, line, and sinker, is because it's full if shit.
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You should know also that the JREF schoolarship was ONLY for persons that made ana outstanding contribution to skepticism. Unless you consider that being ana stripper or Penn's girlfriend (70-20) is an outstanding contribution , then nothing happenned.
These are your assertion. However, as has been shown, it's not clear that this is the case. And as yet, you've done little to prove it besides link other rants in other forums.
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carlos send his application in 2002. The JREF send a letter to Carlos in 2004. The JREF employees lied in their own forum after that "detali" was exposed by Carlos. Why?
He is not even in the list of the JREF prize applicants. Why?
Assuming what you're saying is true, what can we-- people who post at SFN-- do about it? None of us here have anything to do with Randi or his site. Indeed, few here are even very familiar with Randi or his cause. You ask why such and such has or hasn't happened. Why the fuck do you expect us to give any satisfactory answer?!?
In short, why the fuck are you posting here about this?!? |
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latinijral
Banned
197 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 13:42:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
What smells bad is your silly assumption that strippers or people who worked with Penn are somehow unable to make an outstanding contribution to skepticism. And frankly anyone working to advance the goals of Jref or scientific understanding would qualify as such.
You are so sad.
Sad is the way you also try to fix what the stripper did as an outstanding contribution to skepticism.
Do you know what was it? I am so curious . Why is a secret? |
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latinijral
Banned
197 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 13:45:21 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
In short, why the fuck are you posting here about this?!?
Why the fuck you are worried about the topic? |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 13:46:08 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
You made your points and your opinion about what happenned.
See? You didn't have to close the thread just beacuse some Randi's fanatics began to hijack the thread.
No, I closed the thread because no progress was being made by you or anyone else.quote:
You should know also that the JREF schoolarship was ONLY for persons that made ana outstanding contribution to skepticism. Unless you consider that being ana stripper or Penn's girlfriend (70-20) is an outstanding contribution , then nothing happenned.
You have personal knowledge that she made no outstanding contributions to skepticism during her intership? What evidence do you have that she did absolutely nothing during that time?quote:
Being fraudulent is being unethical?
Yes, but being unethical is not necessarily being fraudulent. The two words are not synonyms.quote:
Is being unethical to "fix" an schoolarship to "new" rules is being fraudulent?
It's not being fraudulent, no. Besides, where is your evidence that the scholarship "rules" changed because of that incident?quote:
Something is smelling very bad and you are contributing with your piss off.
What smells bad are the assumptions you're making and not supporting.quote:
Randi , Uri , Carlos are just topics to be discussed as anyone , you just have to be relax.
I am relaxed, except when someone sends me off on a wild goose chase, and still fails to answer my questions.quote:
carlos send his application in 2002. The JREF send a letter to Carlos in 2004. The JREF employees lied in their own forum after that "detali" was exposed by Carlos. Why?
If this is true, you'll have to ask them. I have no connections with the JREF, so how should I know?quote:
He is not even in the list of the JREF prize applicants. Why?
Perhaps because he had no claim whatsoever. Carlos should not have applied. That neither you nor he understand that simple fact is not the fault of the JREF or of Randi.quote:
Just fear.
That conclusion is not supported by the evidence you have provided. |
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latinijral
Banned
197 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 14:12:11 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
You made your points and your opinion about what happenned.
See? You didn't have to close the thread just beacuse some Randi's fanatics began to hijack the thread.
No, I closed the thread because no progress was being made by you or anyone else.
Just beacuse they hijaked the thread with insults and the Carlos thing.That was your excuse , now you are on the same topic. See? No problem at all.
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Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
You should know also that the JREF schoolarship was ONLY for persons that made ana outstanding contribution to skepticism. Unless you consider that being ana stripper or Penn's girlfriend (70-20) is an outstanding contribution , then nothing happenned.
You have personal knowledge that she made no outstanding contributions to skepticism during her intership? What evidence do you have that she did absolutely nothing during that time?
You want me to prove the negative? You are the one , a self proclaimed skeptic , or the JREF that should tell what outstanding contribution she made. Until now : nada ( nothing).
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by latinijral
Being fraudulent is being unethical?
Yes, but being unethical is not necessarily being fraudulent. The two words are not synonyms.
"Not necessarily" opens a door to the oposite. Then , it can be fraudulent.
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Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
Is being unethical to "fix" an schoolarship to "new" rules is being fraudulent?
It's not being fraudulent, no. Besides, where is your evidence that the scholarship "rules" changed because of that incident?
So your investigation is very weak. In the thread you closed I posted the links where you can find the answer. Go and read it.
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by latinijral
Something is smelling very bad and you are contributing with your piss off.
What smells bad are the assumptions you're making and not supporting.
Until now , all I got from you are assumptions without any support.
Now you are interested in the topic.
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by latinijral
Randi , Uri , Carlos are just topics to be discussed as anyone , you just have to be relax.
I am relaxed, except when someone sends me off on a wild goose chase, and still fails to answer my questions
Relax and you will think clear. You have potential.
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by latinijral
carlos send his application in 2002. The JREF send a letter to Carlos in 2004. The JREF employees lied in their own forum after that "detali" was exposed by Carlos. Why?
If this is true, you'll have to ask them. I have no connections with the JREF, so how should I know?
Then why you are writing about Carlos and his conection to the JREF?
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by latinijral
He is not even in the list of the JREF prize applicants. Why?
Perhaps because he had no claim whatsoever. Carlos should not have applied.
But he did so in 2002. His application was recived and they NEVER told him it was invalid.He also recieved a letter from the JREF in 2004. The JREF researchers lied about it.It is a fact.
His topic is a tabboo.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 14:35:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by latinijral
Just beacuse they hijaked the thread with insults and the Carlos thing.
No, because you went off-topic just as fast with insults in return.quote:
That was your excuse , now you are on the same topic. See? No problem at all.
Yeah, it took me closing the old thread to get things back on topic.quote:
You want me to prove the negative? You are the one , a self proclaimed skeptic , or the JREF that should tell what outstanding contribution she made. Until now : nada ( nothing).
The JREF has no obligation to you - supposedly a non-member - to disclose anything about what they do. And since you're accusing James Randi of a crime, in this country people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Thus, you are required to provide the evidence to support your claim that MoeFaux did nothing "outstanding" during her internship. If you cannot do that, it's not because anyone here is a "fanatic."quote:
"Not necessarily" opens a door to the oposite. Then , it can be fraudulent.
But you need to demonstrate that it was fraudulent. It's not the default assumption.quote:
So your investigation is very weak. In the thread you closed I posted the links where you can find the answer. Go and read it.
No, I'm not going to read another 40 pages of people sniping at you and among themselves. Point me to specific posts on specific pages, and I'm more than willing to read them.quote:
Until now , all I got from you are assumptions without any support.
Baloney. You got a lot of requests for more information, which you failed to follow-up on. Your fault, not ours.quote:
Now you are interested in the topic.
Not really, no.quote:
Relax and you will think clear. You have potential.
Arrogant, aren't you?quote:
Then why you are writing about Carlos and his conection to the JREF?
Because you're now asking questions about Carlos' application to the JREF.quote:
But he did so in 2002. His application was recived and they NEVER told him it was invalid.
That's false. They told him he had no claim in 2004.quote:
He also recieved a letter from the JREF in 2004. The JREF researchers lied about it.It is a fact.
Lied on purpose, or did they makes mistakes?quote:
His topic is a tabboo.
Not here, it's not. Obviously. |
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Evidently, I rock!
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 14:42:37 [Permalink]
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| I'd say this topic makes almost as much sense as the other one that had weird equations. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 14:45:58 [Permalink]
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Latinijral, I suggest that you get your meds updated. You need provide some emperical evidence supporting your claim(s), if you have any. Until then: Who gives a rat's ass if Randi gave money to some chick?
Who gives a rat's ass if he ignored some bullshit claim? He probably get's hundreds if not thousands of those each year.
Incidently, if you can come up with evidence of fraud, you can get him hauled into court to answer for it. Did you ever think of that?
You are wasting your time spouting drivel here when you should be gathering facts to prosecute your case. But as you are here spouting drivel, and have been for some time, I must conclude that you have no evidence beyond that drivel.
Thus I advise: get the meds fixed and forget Randi. You'll lead a happier life.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 14:55:12 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
Why the fuck you are worried about the topic?
Worried?!? Who said I was worried? ("What-- me worry?")
No, latinijral, I'm not worried. I'm a bit distressed that you can't get it through your head that no one here has yet to hold Randi in the high esteem, which you repeat ad nauseum.
I also find your whining about Carlos not being recognized for his bullshit claim to be oh so tired.
But no, I'm not worried. But really-- if you have nothing new to add, go away. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 21:48:26 [Permalink]
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More questions for you, latinijral:
1) Are you now, have you ever been, or do you plan on being, a paying JREF member?
2) What is the name of another JREF scholarship recipient, from a year before 2003?
3) What did the scholarship recipient named for question #2 do that was "outstanding?" |
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Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
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latinijral
Banned
197 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2005 : 06:09:44 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
More questions for you, latinijral:
1) Are you now, have you ever been, or do you plan on being, a paying JREF member?
2) What is the name of another JREF scholarship recipient, from a year before 2003?
3) What did the scholarship recipient named for question #2 do that was "outstanding?"
Dear Dave:
1.- Irrelevant
2.- Sure......another one is Chris Bidlack...Is that name "familiar" to you? We can start a debate about nepotism in this pseudoeducational foundation....
3.- 2.-
P.S: I send an email to Randi last year asking for papers on the last TAM3.
ANd see his "amazing" answer:
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De: James Randi <randi@randi.org>
Responder a: <randi@randi.org>
Enviado el: Viernes, 19 de Noviembre de 2004 15:13:36
Para: "'latincito chileno'"
Asunto: RE: Call for papers
Who or what is "Moefox"?
James Randi.
-----Original Message-----
From: latincito chileno
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:48 PM
To: rhall@randi.org
Cc: randi@randi.org; kramer@randi.org
Subject: Call for papers
Hello
My name is Elver Gonzalez from Chile, Southamerica.
My proposal is to share to skeptics how the "double speech" works in the
pseudoskpeticism.
Is there a Sharp Line between Skepticism and Pseudoskepticism?
You must pay me $ 5000, like you did with Moefox.
Thank you
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He forget that Moefox is one of JREF forum moderators and she "drive" Pennīs car with Randi inside.
"We were driven there on a very nice bus while MoeFaux drove Randi in one of Penn's cars. Note the license plate".
http://home.comcast.net/~sromanowski/TAM2/The_Slammer_Tour.html
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2005 : 06:41:21 [Permalink]
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All I see is a very neat car, with someone who could be anyone in it.
Even so... who gives a shit if he paid this chick money? |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2005 : 06:44:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
More questions for you, latinijral:
1) Are you now, have you ever been, or do you plan on being, a paying JREF member?
2) What is the name of another JREF scholarship recipient, from a year before 2003?
3) What did the scholarship recipient named for question #2 do that was "outstanding?"
Dear Dave:
1.- Irrelevant
2.- Sure......another one is Chris Bidlack...Is that name "familiar" to you? We can start a debate about nepotism in this pseudoeducational foundation....
3.- 2.-
P.S: I send an email to Randi last year asking for papers on the last TAM3.
ANd see his "amazing" answer:
quote:
De: James Randi <randi@randi.org>
Responder a: <randi@randi.org>
Enviado el: Viernes, 19 de Noviembre de 2004 15:13:36
Para: "'latincito chileno'"
Asunto: RE: Call for papers
Who or what is "Moefox"?
James Randi.
-----Original Message-----
From: latincito chileno
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:48 PM
To: rhall@randi.org
Cc: randi@randi.org; kramer@randi.org
Subject: Call for papers
Hello
My name is Elver Gonzalez from Chile, Southamerica.
My proposal is to share to skeptics how the "double speech" works in the
pseudoskpeticism.
Is there a Sharp Line between Skepticism and Pseudoskepticism?
You must pay me $ 5000, like you did with Moefox.
Thank you
quote:
He forget that Moefox is one of JREF forum moderators and she "drive" Pennīs car with Randi inside.
"We were driven there on a very nice bus while MoeFaux drove Randi in one of Penn's cars. Note the license plate".
http://home.comcast.net/~sromanowski/TAM2/The_Slammer_Tour.html
SO FUCKING WHAT??? After all this time and all these posts, you have provided exactly nothing to show that Randi has committed any misdeeds. Therefore, I can only conclude that you have no purpose beyond harrassing and slandering Randi. What you might have to gain out of all this I can't imagine, but you comtinue on anyway like some whore pacing the sidewalk between clients.
Unless you can come up with evidence of misdeeds, You are slutting yourself out for nothing because nobody here buys blather.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 06:48:05 [Permalink]
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lol Filthy. Your analogies are just... fascinating
But I bet he won't answer that, either. |
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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