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Paulos23
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 02/05/2005 : 10:30:31 [Permalink]
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I have to agree with filthy on this. This is really a moot point by now.
latinijral, let is go man. You will feel much better if you do and focus on other topics. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2005 : 14:28:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by latinijral
1.- Irrelevant
Not at all. You're making demands of an organization. If you've never been a member, and aren't ever going to join, they've got no reason to accede to your demands.quote:
2.- Sure......another one is Chris Bidlack...Is that name "familiar" to you? We can start a debate about nepotism in this pseudoeducational foundation....
I find no way to verify that Chris Bidlack was ever given a JREF scholarship. What evidence do you have that this is true?quote:
3.- 2.-
Ah, so you're once again assuming that Bidlack's scholarship wasn't given to him for "outstanding" actions on his part? Where is the evidence?quote:
P.S: I send an email to Randi last year asking for papers on the last TAM3.
ANd see his "amazing" answer:
Indeed, because there is nobody on the JREF forums named "Moefox." Her name is "MoeFaux." It's pronounced completely differently than "Moefox" would be.
Besides which, I'm not surprised Randi answered as he did. You made a nonsensical "proposal" and then demanded money from him. I wouldn't have any patience for that kind of crap, either. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2005 : 17:19:09 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by latinijral
He is not even in the list of the JREF prize applicants. Why?
Perhaps because he had no claim whatsoever. Carlos should not have applied.
But he did so in 2002. His application was recived and they NEVER told him it was invalid.He also recieved a letter from the JREF in 2004. The JREF researchers lied about it.It is a fact.
His topic is a tabboo.
I did some looking over at the JREF site for a variety of reasons and came across their Million Dollar Challenge-- ostensibly the one that you and your friend Carlos are so upset about not claiming.
Interestingly, the rules of the challenge clearly state:quote:
IMPORTANT: Only claims that can be verified by evidence under proper observing conditions will be accepted. JREF will NOT accept claims of the existence of deities or demons/angels, the validity of exorcism, religious claims, cloudbusting, causing the Sun to rise or the stars to move, etc.
Clearly, this utterly lame "UFO" pictures from the terrorist attacks in New York fall into this category, as they are NOT "claims that can be verified by evidence under proper observing conditions."
In other words, there's a reason why Carlos was never given any news about the status of his request-- the application form tells him that his claim is not the type of claim that JREF investigates! 
Additionally, it reads "Any applicant who refuses to agree to meet the rules as outlined here, will not be considered to have ever been an applicant."
You wonder why he doesn't even appear in the claims list? Because his claim didn't meet the state JREF requirements!!! 
Oh no! All this time you've been bitching about how poorly Carlos was mistreated when in fact the JREF people were doing exactly what they were supposed to!
*Sigh* Well, at least you can make up new lies about Randi and MoeFaux!  |
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
1536 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2005 : 19:19:36 [Permalink]
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latinijral,
I see in the title of this thread that you said "then .... banned him". Who exactly was banned?? Certainly not you. You continue to post the same thing over and over and over again.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2005 : 20:44:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
Who exactly was banned??
He meant "ban," not "banned," I bet (translation issues). latinijral was predicting hiw own banishment from this forum after I - heavens forbid - locked one of his prior threads. He's been banned from other forums for behaviour similar to that seen here, so he was making a reasonable assumption (if you also assume that the SFN is like other forums). |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2005 : 04:27:34 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by furshur
Who exactly was banned??
He meant "ban," not "banned," I bet (translation issues). latinijral was predicting hiw own banishment from this forum after I - heavens forbid - locked one of his prior threads. He's been banned from other forums for behaviour similar to that seen here, so he was making a reasonable assumption (if you also assume that the SFN is like other forums).
Y'know, I've been wondering about that. I wonder if our friend latinijral is not trying to get banned. Get some bragging rights and up his score, as it were, for whatever that might be worth.
I've been banned from some few, but, while some might consider it a badge of honor, considering the sites, I don't think it was very productive. After all, if I am not there, my voice will not be heard (a blessing, some have said).
Latinijral neither annoys nor offends me. But I do wish he'd come up with something new. This Randi-Moefaux-Carlos ron-de-lay has gotten a bit tiresome. I would at least like to see some documentation other than further unsupported statements on other forums.
Wish in one hand; piss in the other and see which fills up first, eh?
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latinijral
Banned
197 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2005 : 13:44:08 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by latinijral
Why the fuck you are worried about the topic?
Worried?!? Who said I was worried? ("What-- me worry?")
No, latinijral, I'm not worried. I'm a bit distressed that you can't get it through your head that no one here has yet to hold Randi in the high esteem, which you repeat ad nauseum.
I also find your whining about Carlos not being recognized for his bullshit claim to be oh so tired.
But no, I'm not worried. But really-- if you have nothing new to add, go away.
Relax dear son:
You are distressed, then you are worried. One day you will learn to donīt get piss off with the truth about your idol and sacred cow-aka--Mr. Randi
quote:
Originally posted by filthy
SO FUCKING WHAT???
So fucking what about are you worried?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2005 : 14:16:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by latinijral
Why the fuck you are worried about the topic?
Worried?!? Who said I was worried? ("What-- me worry?")
No, latinijral, I'm not worried. I'm a bit distressed that you can't get it through your head that no one here has yet to hold Randi in the high esteem, which you repeat ad nauseum.
I also find your whining about Carlos not being recognized for his bullshit claim to be oh so tired.
But no, I'm not worried. But really-- if you have nothing new to add, go away.
Relax dear son:
You are distressed, then you are worried. One day you will learn to donīt get piss off with the truth about your idol and sacred cow-aka--Mr. Randi
quote:
Originally posted by filthy
SO FUCKING WHAT???
So fucking what about are you worried?
What, me worry? 
You've given no one here anything to worry about, nor indeed give any but the briefest consideration.
When you finally get up some evidence in support of your claims, or failing that, move on to something else, we'll reconsider.
But if the past is any reference, you'll remain a one-trick pony for the duration. But try, do...
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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latinijral
Banned
197 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2005 : 14:16:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by latinijral
1.- Irrelevant
Not at all. You're making demands of an organization. If you've never been a member, and aren't ever going to join, they've got no reason to accede to your demands.
At all or not at all....please decide.
I am not making demands. I am serving free for the new skepticism and open minds. You are learning of me the real truth about the unethical and fraudulent pseudoskeptic organization.
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by latinijral
2.- Sure......another one is Chris Bidlack...Is that name "familiar" to you? We can start a debate about nepotism in this pseudoeducational foundation....
I find no way to verify that Chris Bidlack was ever given a JREF scholarship. What evidence do you have that this is true?quote:
3.- 2.-
Ah, so you're once again assuming that Bidlack's scholarship wasn't given to him for "outstanding" actions on his part? Where is the evidence?
Dave...Dave...Dave:
Why the hell do you think I posted the links in the thread you desperately closed after Lisa appeared with new fanatical orders?
If you read the links you will find who is the father of Chris Bidlack-----Mr. Harold Bidlack (Lt. Col USAF- ex-JREF forum administrator and formal JREF director when Chris recieved the scholarship).
Another unethical and fraudulent behavior of this pseudoskeptical educational organization. I am still waiting for the "outstanding" contributions to skeptcism , this 2 young guys did it.
I know you have potential and you will find why they gave to them the scholarship.
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by latinijral
P.S: I send an email to Randi last year asking for papers on the last TAM3.
ANd see his "amazing" answer:
Indeed, because there is nobody on the JREF forums named "Moefox." Her name is "MoeFaux." It's pronounced completely differently than "Moefox" would be.
Besides which, I'm not surprised Randi answered as he did. You made a nonsensical "proposal" and then demanded money from him. I wouldn't have any patience for that kind of crap, either.
The surprise is that Mr. R pretended to donīt know who Moefox is, since she is a formal moderator of his forum and a special "atachee" at TAM 2 and 3-----aka----The Penn conection.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2005 : 14:28:56 [Permalink]
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Another unethical and fraudulent behavior
As opposed to your potentially criminal (slander/libel) behavior?
When you get over yourself long enough to actually find some evidence of wrongdoing then maybe people will listen. Allthough it is doubtfull that they will listen to you after listening to your years of moronic ranting and internet stalking.
Again: Who fucking cares who JREF gives it's money to? Prove that they gave any money away in a manner that violates their charter and/or rules.
Until then, please do us the favor of shutting the fuck up.
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
1191 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2005 : 14:50:17 [Permalink]
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Why the hell do you think I posted the links in the thread you desperately closed after Lisa appeared with new fanatical orders?
Wait a minute, I thought we were taking fanatical orders from filthy! Can somebody please explain why Lisa is giving fanatical orders now? I mean, really, what the hell kind of a way is this to run a conspiracy, when we can't even keep straight who's giving the fanatical orders? Let's get our shit together before latinijral is able to learn any more of our secrets! |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2005 : 21:08:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by latinijral
I am not making demands.
Yes, you are. You're demanding to know the exact reasons why MoeFaux and Chris Bidlack got scholarships, and if you're not given those reasons, you'll continue to assume that it was for less than "outstanding" reasons, including criminal activity.quote:
I am serving free for the new skepticism and open minds.
No, you're just spreading conspiracy theories without evidence.quote:
You are learning of me the real truth about the unethical and fraudulent pseudoskeptic organization.
No, I'm not, because you haven't shown me anything unethical or fraudulent.quote:
Dave...Dave...Dave:
Why the hell do you think I posted the links in the thread you desperately closed after Lisa appeared with new fanatical orders?
Beats me. I didn't find anything in those links. Of course, I didn't read very much because I've got better things to do with my time.quote:
If you read the links you will find who is the father of Chris Bidlack-----Mr. Harold Bidlack (Lt. Col USAF- ex-JREF forum administrator and formal JREF director when Chris recieved the scholarship).
I already knew that. Besides which, I told you I'm not going to read another 40 pages of crap. Just point me to the individual posts you want me to read, and I'll read them.quote:
Another unethical and fraudulent behavior of this pseudoskeptical educational organization.
It's only unethical if you can prove that Chris got the scholarship only because of his father. It's only fraudulent if you can show that the JREF announced that the money would be going elsewhere, but instead would up in Chris' pocket. Where is your evidence?
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I am still waiting for the "outstanding" contributions to skeptcism , this 2 young guys did it.
Again, you don't appear to have any standing to make demands of the JREF.quote:
I know you have potential and you will find why they gave to them the scholarship.
I don't care why they gave them the scholarships. Besides which, I already told you, I can't find anything which proves that Chris Bidlack even received a JREF scholarship, so how the hell am I supposed to find out why he did?quote:
The surprise is that Mr. R pretended to donīt know who Moefox is, since she is a formal moderator of his forum and a special "atachee" at TAM 2 and 3-----aka----The Penn conection.
It's no surprise at all. I bet Randi knows her by her real name, and not a misspelling of her forum handle. Does your mother know who "latinijral" is? |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2005 : 22:22:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by latinijral
Relax dear son:
You are distressed, then you are worried. One day you will learn to donīt get piss off with the truth about your idol and sacred cow-aka--Mr. Randi
Neat. And here's a giant . . . because you still haven't figured out that I don't give a flying fuck who Randi is (or you have figured it out and you're just a troll, which-- joke's on you, moron. But I'll leave it to you to figure out). I swear-- I'm relaxed, "son" . . . Rant largely edited out, and is blamed on too much beer after watching the Super Bowl |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2005 : 05:59:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral
Relax dear son:
You are distressed, then you are worried. One day you will learn to donīt get piss off with the truth about your idol and sacred cow-aka--Mr. Randi
Neat. And here's a giant fuck you because you still haven't figured out that I don't give a flying fuck who Randi is (or you have figured it out and you're just a troll, which-- joke's on you, moron. But I'll leave it to you to figure out). I swear-- I'm relaxed, "son." Hell-- I'm more relaxed than your mother is right before she gets her junk for the morning. So you go rant on about pissing and idols and I'll go back to sleep. And oh yeah-- fuck off!
Easy, dear, easy... that's not helping, now is it? No need to steep down to slandering level. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2005 : 07:18:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Easy, dear, easy... that's not helping, now is it? No need to steep down to slandering level.
Well that's what a night imbibing and watching the Super Bowl will do. Still, at some point latinijral needs to figure out that no one here cares at all about Randi. He is not-- nor was he ever-- a "sacred cow." Moreover, the attitude that we'll all see his way if we'd just relax is not only condescending, it's just plain annoying. |
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