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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/31/2005 : 13:28:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
One can only hope that the lying sacks of shit that made this case a controversy where there shouldn't have been one, for ratings, political capital and prime time exposure, will now shut the fuck up.
I know, I know. Too much to hope for…
The talk show rating whores, like Rush, will scream murder. Randall Terry will try to parlay his latest and successful attempt at media exposure into another run at being a big shot again.The politicians will be busy with damage control and spin. And a few of the nut jobs who fell for all of the crap may well seek some sort of vigilantly retaliation.
I would like to believe that I am being unduly pessimistic. It would not bother me if it turns out that I am wrong about any or all of the above.
Kil, I think that you are incorrect only in that you have underestimated the noxious bounty of this foul harvest.
Along with all of the cheap demagoges grasping at a spotlight that our fetid excuse for a national media will be only too eagar to shine on them, add that this is a neo-con politition's wet dream. I have no doubt that the Bush ménage, DeLay, Frist, et al, have been hoping for her speedy death so that they can wrap themselves in a tattered flag and soiled pages of the Bible, and flatulate of morality and activist judges. And then try to reinterperate the Constitution in the image of Cotton Mather.
I too hope that you are wrong and myself as well, but I fear not. The bright side of it is that it just might come back to kick them in the crotch.
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Gorgo
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/31/2005 : 14:03:29 [Permalink]
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This law was reported by Terri's sister. It will be interesting if that is also a lie. Are you sure?
Valliant has posted the answer already. I'll only add that the only time outside of those that an autopsy is done, is at the request of the patients spouse (or other legal guardian).
Mr Schiavo would have been well within his right to ignore all the blather and slanderous accusations, and go ahead and have her creamated.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 03/31/2005 : 14:19:02 [Permalink]
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Here's something I noticed about the famously catholic Schindler family: in the course of defending the "culture of life" and their right to keep Terri on a feeding tube so they can keep dressing her up, they have come down in favor of divorce in several ways: the last-minute claim[I never heard them before last night] that Terri wanted to leave Michael and "surprise, she was unconscious" the very next morning. They encouraged Michael to see other women [adultery,prelude to divorce?], they offered Michael money to divorce Terri so they could become next-of-kin and make her medical decisions.
Where does the sanctity of the Michael & Terri Schiavo marriage go?
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/31/2005 : 14:36:34 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by trishran
Where does the sanctity of the Michael & Terri Schiavo marriage go?
Right out the window (along with almost every other religious and conservative value), because she was their daughter, and they were treating her like chattel, not like an adult human being. |
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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 03/31/2005 : 14:46:32 [Permalink]
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See, and this is exactly why what upsets me about this case!
Another thing - I am appalled at how many legislators and attorneys I have seen on TV talking about this case and dissing the rule of law! As if law is the problem in this case. The law did not say Terri must die [or Terri must live] it said it's her decision, and the courts investigated and determined that she would not want to be left endlessly in such a condition.
Some people [among them Nancy Grace of Court TV] act like Michael Schiavo's subsequent relationship negates his marriage to Terri. But adultery alone does not dissolve a marriage or remove next-of-kin rights and obligations. Would it make these people happy if, someone is unconscious in the hospital, the doctors would ask the spouse if they've been a playa before discussing things next-of-kin and doctors need to discuss? [Personally, even if my husband strayed sexually, I'd still trust his decisions regarding medicine over those of my parents.] |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/31/2005 : 21:18:20 [Permalink]
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11:16pm EST, and there are STILL protestors outside the Hospice here.
[rant
On the off chance that anyone reading these baords knows any of them: PLEASE, CALL THEM! TELL THEM TO GO THE FUCK HOME!
/rant]
Sorry.... but these people need to go away. I hope they start arresting them for trespassing.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Starman
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/31/2005 : 23:57:33 [Permalink]
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So creation88!
You started the original thread with an attack on Michael Schiavo, because of a situation that you knew embarrassingly little about. You didn't even get either of Terri Shiavos names right.
Any comments on your errors? I took the liberty of highlighting them for you.
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Originally posted by creation88
Today at 5pm in Florida, Terry Shibo will be murdered. She is a woman who is severly brain damaged because of a car accident many years ago. She can breath on her own. She is responsive to her parents. At 5 o'clock her feeding tube will be removed and she will starve to death. She will die maybe the the slowest most painful death possible.
Who is making the decision to do this? Her husband. He left Terry many years ago. Helives with another woman, and has two children with this other woman. He never officially divorced her, so he is given the decision of whether to keep Terry alive, or to kill her. Terry's parents want to keep her alive, but this evil man is killing her anyway. Do you know why? Because he will recieve all of her assets. Her house, her car, her money. This man is disgusting.
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This story has literally made me feel sick.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/01/2005 : 17:48:00 [Permalink]
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He hasn't even bothered to admit he made factual errors in his OP. Don't expect him to come back now and somehow rationally examine this issue, or to correct his errors.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2005 : 18:35:08 [Permalink]
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I want to go on the record saying that I admire Michael Schiavo's guts, determination and devotion to Terri, her wishes and her ultimate best interests.
I read an interesting story in today's paper from AP: One night before she was married, Terri was driving home ot her parents' house and arrived upset, thinking she might have hit a rabbit with her car. "Her family calmed her down and convinced her no animal had died, but then her brother Bobby retreived the dead rabbit and threw it into the bushes, so she would never know."
[How would the AP know this if Bobby kept the secret?]
This seems to me emblematic of the problem. Rather than face the unpleasant truth, there is an attempt to convince her to believe and the destruction of the evidence, yet the brother's "good deed" which is portrayed as a secret, ends up shared with the world. Another thing - in the story they mention Terri's one brother and two sisters - you only ever see one of the sisters in reports on this story. Perhaps her family's feelings are not as monolithic as you'd think from TV reports. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/01/2005 : 18:37:09 [Permalink]
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7356531/
This is not amusing.
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“The actions on the part of the Florida court and the U.S. Supreme Court are unconscionable,” said Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., attacking judges who repeatedly had refused to order tube-fed nourishment restored to the brain-damaged woman.
“This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change,” House Majority Leader Tom DeLay added in a statement issued hours after Schiavo's death at a Florida hospice.
“The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior,” said the Texan. DeLay was a driving force behind legislation Congress passed two weeks ago that gave federal courts jurisdiction in an attempt to save Schiavo's life.
Lets see.... the men responsible... A republican, conservative, christian judge (greer). The 11th circuit in Atlanta, the most conservative circuit court in the country, who's majority statement was filed by an appointee of Bush's daddy. The US Supreme court, the SAME court who awarded Bush the 2000 election. The FL state Supreme Court, who is admitedly moderate for a state that has turned as RED as FL in recent years.
So.. DeLay is going to purge the republican party maybe? Get rid of all those who don't follow his insane religious beliefs?
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/01/2005 : 19:44:22 [Permalink]
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| If I'm not mistaken, Congress has the power to impeach any judge, just like they can impeach the President. The fact that neither Santorum nor DeLay nor anyone else I've heard is talking impeachment for anyone speaks volumes. They know they don't have grounds for it, so are impotently screaming "activist judges" simply to pander to the other misguided folks out there who think they know what God wanted. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/02/2005 : 06:00:29 [Permalink]
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Yeah, but the overwhelming majority of judges involved in this case are Republicans!
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 04/02/2005 : 11:25:39 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dude
Yeah, but the overwhelming majority of judges involved in this case are Republicans!
Right, which is another reason why it's unlikely that anyone "will answer for their behaviour."
With any luck, Randall Terry will keep this issue in the public mind for another year-and-a-half (at least), and actually get a large number of people to vote against the "do-nothing" incumbent Republicans they voted for last time around. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/02/2005 : 14:11:45 [Permalink]
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I don't know about the implant Terri may have had but it seems like there would be no additional benefit of an MRI over a CT scan that would warrant the potential risks.http://www.mri.tju.edu/HouseStaffDuties.htmquote:
MRI Contraindications and Policies
Metallic fragments, clips or devices in the brain, eye, spinal canal, etc.: Movement in the bore of the magnet may damage sensitive tissues. Plain radiography is sufficient for screening. Some intracranial clips may be safe, but these must have been tested in the OR just prior to implantation.
Magnetically activated implanted devices: Cardiac pacemakers, insulin pumps, neurostimulators, cochlear implants, etc. may be de-programmed.
Non-graphite spinal cord tongs: Graphite tongs are compatible.
Thermodilution Swan-Ganz catheter: Local heating can result.
Metal outside the brain and eye is Not a contraindication: Magnetic deflection is minimal compared to normal physiologic forces. Cardiac valves), inferior vena cava filters, IUD's and metallic prostheses are safe, unless there is doubt as to positional stabilit/y
Has even a single news source made the case the MRI was essential? No, they just used it as a mantra, "But the diagnosis is inconclusive because Michael won't allow a simple [fill in the blank]".
Of course, there is no mention of how Michael Schiavo could prevent the plaintiffs from having a simple [fill in the blank] done, nor why the Schindlers didn't just have it done themselves through their hired neurologists.
And as to the absence of a CT scan that prompted one of the neurologists that Michael Schiavo hired to call the reporter interviewing him stupid, a copy of the image of the scan is in this week's Time Magazine. Suppose we'll hear a single retraction from any of the news media that reported on these lies? Of course not, they're too busy reporting on the Pope's death. |
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