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I think Tim was implying that many of them didn't finish high school, which is a greavous insult from where I am from.
No, Timgraysr was implying that we think that the protestors around the hospice just learned how to spell GED, which would be an even more grevious insult if it were at all true.
It's just a method through which he can demonize the people who disagree with him.
Gee Dave is that what I am doing. Demonizing? I have noticed your almost uncanny ability to cut and paste out of context. Without cutting or pasting let me recall what I said. I suggested that if you and those who say let her die didn't believe that those protesting couldn't spell GED and in fact believed that they were doctors lawyers etc. That some of you less thick headed might agree that there may be some merit to their belief. Some merit, reguardless of how remote. If there is just a slim posibility that they could be right and yes, it would mean you were wrong. If there was that posibility shouldn't we error on the side of life? Befor you start cutting, I agree there is a great possibility that I am wrong. But not enough for me to bet a life on. Reguarding demonizing, it does go hand in hand with death. Perhaps the shoe fits. |
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Timgraysr
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 15:54:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
The political take on Schiavo:
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3/28/2005
Republicans Jump the Shark:
Here's the thing every good bar brawler knows: when you're opponent is down, you don't retreat to the nearest corner. That's for boxers, in the ring, where allegedly "rules" govern behavior. Fuck that. You're a fuckin' sleaze in a bar, and when you get into that inevitable bare knuckle free-for-all, you better be in it for the blood, or it's gonna be your blood that's seeping into the cement under the faux wood floor. So you never back off until that blood is shed, until the motherfucker is unconscious or dead or running home to lick his wounds like a pussy cat after a fucking.
'Cause if you just walk away when you think you've given some asshole a whoopin', then sure as you're standing there, that son of a bitch is gonna get up off the floor and blow your brains out or shiv you in the ribs. No, no, you need to be willing to take that obliterated wad of fuck and prop him against the bar and kick in his face and chest until he's coughin' blood, gaggin' on his own demise, until an ambulance comes to scrape his sorry ass off the bar floor. And you know what? If who you've beaten down is an asshole bully who got in your face and pinched your girlfriend's ass and threatened to fuck her in front of you because the asshole bully didn't think you'd do anything, then the crowd will cheer on your pummeling of the asshole.
President Bush and the Republicans in Congress are on the floor now, having been the asshole bullies for so, so long. They finally overreached with the Terri Schiavo nightmare, thinking that if they passed the "feed-the-Schiavo" bill, they'd be lauded for their compassion and promotion of the "culture of life," a phrase so useless in describing anything that it's brilliant in its emptiness, much like the President himself. Instead, they're imploding.
I'm inclined to agree. Like it or not, Terri is, as I stated in the original thread, a political tetherball that will be batted about long after she is finally put to rest. That tether could choke the entire Republican party and at least a handful of deserving Democrats.
Disgusting, yes, but as it is said, "What goes around, comes around."
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 16:22:28 [Permalink]
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I suggested that if you and those who say let her die didn't believe that those protesting couldn't spell GED and in fact believed that they were doctors lawyers etc. That some of you less thick headed might agree that there may be some merit to their belief. Some merit, reguardless of how remote. If there is just a slim posibility that they could be right and yes, it would mean you were wrong. If there was that posibility shouldn't we error on the side of life?
Please try to use some minimal grammatical structure. Complete sentences and the occasional paragraph break will help you make your points better.
As for erring: You cannot fine one doctor who hasn't been hired by Mrs Schaivo's parents (or lawyers, to argue the parent's position), who has actually examined Mrs Schaivo and reviewed her medical record, who agrees with the parent's position on this case. Not one.
What you fail to comprehend, Timmay!, is that you are in a place where people are not afraid to admit error. This is a skeptics forum. If we are wrong, we freely admit it. It is YOU who is apparently unwilling to actually evaluate evidence and reach a conclusion based on logic.
Terri Schaivo is in a permanent vegitative state. Ignore ALL the court appointed doctors, ignore all the doctors hired by her parents, and ignore all the doctors hired by Mr Schaivo and his lawyers. What you have left is the ones who are exempt from any bias in forming a medical opinion on this case. NONE of the doctors in this category agree with Mrs Schaivo's parents. To my knoledge, they all agree with the diagnosis of PVS and no chance for any recovery beyond where she is now.
RE Wendy's linked article:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050328/ts_alt_afp/useuthanasiajustice_050328195614
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"I have a grave concern that they'll expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine," Bob Schindler told the press Monday outside the hospice where his 41-year old daughter is a patient.
This is so ridiculous that I actually laughed out loud. In 11 days, per a CNN interview with one of Mr Schaivo's lawyers, she has recieved TWO doses of morphine, administered via suppository. It amazes me that people can make statements like this one by the father. He clearly doesn't know anything about the drug in the form it is being administered. It would take dozens of morphine suppositories to cause an overdose, if it could be done at all. The people caring for this woman have administrators and lawyers checking their every move and ok-ing any action before it is taken. Then their documentation is likely being rough drafted, reviewed, and ok'd, before it makes it into the medical record.
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 16:25:07 [Permalink]
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Wow filthy, You are an excellant representitive for liberals everywhere. Thank you for that. Of course it isn't possible those connected to the moral pulse just wanted side on life.
If you are going to be an insulting prick, the least you can do is be creative. The old "liberal" as an insult just doesn't work around here. It's dry, old, and more than a little over used.
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Timgraysr
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 16:37:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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I suggested that if you and those who say let her die didn't believe that those protesting couldn't spell GED and in fact believed that they were doctors lawyers etc. That some of you less thick headed might agree that there may be some merit to their belief. Some merit, reguardless of how remote. If there is just a slim posibility that they could be right and yes, it would mean you were wrong. If there was that posibility shouldn't we error on the side of life?
Please try to use some minimal grammatical structure. Complete sentences and the occasional paragraph break will help you make your points better.
As for erring: You cannot fine one doctor who hasn't been hired by Mrs Schaivo's parents (or lawyers, to argue the parent's position), who has actually examined Mrs Schaivo and reviewed her medical record, who agrees with the parent's position on this case. Not one.
What you fail to comprehend, Timmay!, is that you are in a place where people are not afraid to admit error. This is a skeptics forum. If we are wrong, we freely admit it. It is YOU who is apparently unwilling to actually evaluate evidence and reach a conclusion based on logic.
Terri Schaivo is in a permanent vegitative state. Ignore ALL the court appointed doctors, ignore all the doctors hired by her parents, and ignore all the doctors hired by Mr Schaivo and his lawyers. What you have left is the ones who are exempt from any bias in forming a medical opinion on this case. NONE of the doctors in this category agree with Mrs Schaivo's parents. To my knoledge, they all agree with the diagnosis of PVS and no chance for any recovery beyond where she is now.
RE Wendy's linked article:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050328/ts_alt_afp/useuthanasiajustice_050328195614
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"I have a grave concern that they'll expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine," Bob Schindler told the press Monday outside the hospice where his 41-year old daughter is a patient.
This is so ridiculous that I actually laughed out loud. In 11 days, per a CNN interview with one of Mr Schaivo's lawyers, she has recieved TWO doses of morphine, administered via suppository. It amazes me that people can make statements like this one by the father. He clearly doesn't know anything about the drug in the form it is being administered. It would take dozens of morphine suppositories to cause an overdose, if it could be done at all. The people caring for this woman have administrators and lawyers checking their every move and ok-ing any action before it is taken. Then their documentation is likely being rough drafted, reviewed, and ok'd, before it makes it into the medical record.
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 16:41:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Timgraysr
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Originally posted by filthy
The political take on Schiavo:
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3/28/2005
Republicans Jump the Shark:
Here's the thing every good bar brawler knows: when you're opponent is down, you don't retreat to the nearest corner. That's for boxers, in the ring, where allegedly "rules" govern behavior. Fuck that. You're a fuckin' sleaze in a bar, and when you get into that inevitable bare knuckle free-for-all, you better be in it for the blood, or it's gonna be your blood that's seeping into the cement under the faux wood floor. So you never back off until that blood is shed, until the motherfucker is unconscious or dead or running home to lick his wounds like a pussy cat after a fucking.
'Cause if you just walk away when you think you've given some asshole a whoopin', then sure as you're standing there, that son of a bitch is gonna get up off the floor and blow your brains out or shiv you in the ribs. No, no, you need to be willing to take that obliterated wad of fuck and prop him against the bar and kick in his face and chest until he's coughin' blood, gaggin' on his own demise, until an ambulance comes to scrape his sorry ass off the bar floor. And you know what? If who you've beaten down is an asshole bully who got in your face and pinched your girlfriend's ass and threatened to fuck her in front of you because the asshole bully didn't think you'd do anything, then the crowd will cheer on your pummeling of the asshole.
President Bush and the Republicans in Congress are on the floor now, having been the asshole bullies for so, so long. They finally overreached with the Terri Schiavo nightmare, thinking that if they passed the "feed-the-Schiavo" bill, they'd be lauded for their compassion and promotion of the "culture of life," a phrase so useless in describing anything that it's brilliant in its emptiness, much like the President himself. Instead, they're imploding.
I'm inclined to agree. Like it or not, Terri is, as I stated in the original thread, a political tetherball that will be batted about long after she is finally put to rest. That tether could choke the entire Republican party and at least a handful of deserving Democrats.
Disgusting, yes, but as it is said, "What goes around, comes around."
Wow filthy, You are an excellant representitive for liberals everywhere. Thank you for that. Of course it isn't possible those connected to the moral pulse just wanted side on life.
I represent no one but myself.
What is a life if you lack even the slightest ability to know that you're alive? Where are these political hacks and their chorus line during all the other 'plug-pullings' that happen every day around the country? Where was the great outcry for 'life' when Rep. Delay hung the "Do Not Resuscitate" sign on his father's hospital room door? Where does the fucking government get off interfering in a family matter?
If you don't think that this whole, obscene circus is anything but the slimiest of politics, then you need to sit down and study the evidence, and then think again.
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 16:48:25 [Permalink]
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Fine grammer. Why would I want to fine the doctors?
Again, if you are just here to be an insulting prick... go home.
There is a world of difference between a typo-spelling error and your tortured attempts to construct a complete sentence and form a coherent thought into words.
And just incase you really are as stupid as you appear....
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As for erring: You cannot fine one doctor who hasn't been hired by Mrs Schaivo's parents (or lawyers, to argue the parent's position), who has actually examined Mrs Schaivo and reviewed her medical record, who agrees with the parent's position on this case. Not one.
Let me correct the typo:
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As for erring: You cannot find one doctor who hasn't been hired by Mrs Schaivo's parents (or lawyers, to argue the parent's position), who has actually examined Mrs Schaivo and reviewed her medical record, who agrees with the parent's position on this case. Not one.
Now. Respond to the material content. If you can.
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Timgraysr
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 17:09:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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I suggested that if you and those who say let her die didn't believe that those protesting couldn't spell GED and in fact believed that they were doctors lawyers etc. That some of you less thick headed might agree that there may be some merit to their belief. Some merit, reguardless of how remote. If there is just a slim posibility that they could be right and yes, it would mean you were wrong. If there was that posibility shouldn't we error on the side of life?
Please try to use some minimal grammatical structure. Complete sentences and the occasional paragraph break will help you make your points better.
As for erring: You cannot fine one doctor who hasn't been hired by Mrs Schaivo's parents (or lawyers, to argue the parent's position), who has actually examined Mrs Schaivo and reviewed her medical record, who agrees with the parent's position on this case. Not one.
What you fail to comprehend, Timmay!, is that you are in a place where people are not afraid to admit error. This is a skeptics forum. If we are wrong, we freely admit it. It is YOU who is apparently unwilling to actually evaluate evidence and reach a conclusion based on logic.
Terri Schaivo is in a permanent vegitative state. Ignore ALL the court appointed doctors, ignore all the doctors hired by her parents, and ignore all the doctors hired by Mr Schaivo and his lawyers. What you have left is the ones who are exempt from any bias in forming a medical opinion on this case. NONE of the doctors in this category agree with Mrs Schaivo's parents. To my knoledge, they all agree with the diagnosis of PVS and no chance for any recovery beyond where she is now.
RE Wendy's linked article:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050328/ts_alt_afp/useuthanasiajustice_050328195614
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"I have a grave concern that they'll expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine," Bob Schindler told the press Monday outside the hospice where his 41-year old daughter is a patient.
This is so ridiculous that I actually laughed out loud. In 11 days, per a CNN interview with one of Mr Schaivo's lawyers, she has recieved TWO doses of morphine, administered via suppository. It amazes me that people can make statements like this one by the father. He clearly doesn't know anything about the drug in the form it is being administered. It would take dozens of morphine suppositories to cause an overdose, if it could be done at all. The people caring for this woman have administrators and lawyers checking their every move and ok-ing any action before it is taken. Then their documentation is likely being rough drafted, reviewed, and ok'd, before it makes it into the medical record.
Unless they lied, Fox news reported her to be on a morphine drip. Just in case? This is a mute point. I doubt she could return to her earlier state from this point. Several times in my life I ran into the term: "The sevens rule". ie seven minuts without air, days without water and weeks without food. I used it earlier not considering I might be wrong. Perhaps it is incorrect. But she does seem to be holding on. There were doctors who visited and concur that she is gone. Based only on her visual data and low EKG readings. X-rays show nothing but a brain and any obstructions in the brain.The catscan that was done over ten years ago was not 100 % conclusive. For this reason most physicians that are treating patients based on catscans are opting to have their patients get MRI's. So, it comes down to who do you trust with her life. Some doctors that have never spent more than an hour at a time with her. And when did a doctor ever spend an hour with someone short of surgery. Or her parents that are with her every day. They say they understand the bable. I don't know. But neither do you Dave. I hope that you have not smarted your way out of your ability to hope. And it's Tim Dave not Timmay. I don't agree with you but, I should not try to belittle you. After all, you may be right. |
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Timgraysr
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 17:19:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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I suggested that if you and those who say let her die didn't believe that those protesting couldn't spell GED and in fact believed that they were doctors lawyers etc. That some of you less thick headed might agree that there may be some merit to their belief. Some merit, reguardless of how remote. If there is just a slim posibility that they could be right and yes, it would mean you were wrong. If there was that posibility shouldn't we error on the side of life?
Please try to use some minimal grammatical structure. Complete sentences and the occasional paragraph break will help you make your points better.
As for erring: You cannot fine one doctor who hasn't been hired by Mrs Schaivo's parents (or lawyers, to argue the parent's position), who has actually examined Mrs Schaivo and reviewed her medical record, who agrees with the parent's position on this case. Not one.
What you fail to comprehend, Timmay!, is that you are in a place where people are not afraid to admit error. This is a skeptics forum. If we are wrong, we freely admit it. It is YOU who is apparently unwilling to actually evaluate evidence and reach a conclusion based on logic.
Terri Schaivo is in a permanent vegitative state. Ignore ALL the court appointed doctors, ignore all the doctors hired by her parents, and ignore all the doctors hired by Mr Schaivo and his lawyers. What you have left is the ones who are exempt from any bias in forming a medical opinion on this case. NONE of the doctors in this category agree with Mrs Schaivo's parents. To my knoledge, they all agree with the diagnosis of PVS and no chance for any recovery beyond where she is now.
RE Wendy's linked article:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050328/ts_alt_afp/useuthanasiajustice_050328195614
quote:
"I have a grave concern that they'll expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine," Bob Schindler told the press Monday outside the hospice where his 41-year old daughter is a patient.
This is so ridiculous that I actually laughed out loud. In 11 days, per a CNN interview with one of Mr Schaivo's lawyers, she has recieved TWO doses of morphine, administered via suppository. It amazes me that people can make statements like this one by the father. He clearly doesn't know anything about the drug in the form it is being administered. It would take dozens of morphine suppositories to cause an overdose, if it could be done at all. The people caring for this woman have administrators and lawyers checking their every move and ok-ing any action before it is taken. Then their documentation is likely being rough drafted, reviewed, and ok'd, before it makes it into the medical record.
Sorry Dude. I tried short sentences. I even tried writing slowly for those that can't read fast. It didn't seem to work though. So, I tried long run on and on sentences hoping that just one extra adverb or conjunction may get my meaning through.
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 17:28:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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Fine grammer. Why would I want to fine the doctors?
Again, if you are just here to be an insulting prick... go home.
There is a world of difference between a typo-spelling error and your tortured attempts to construct a complete sentence and form a coherent thought into words.
And just incase you really are as stupid as you appear....
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As for erring: You cannot fine one doctor who hasn't been hired by Mrs Schaivo's parents (or lawyers, to argue the parent's position), who has actually examined Mrs Schaivo and reviewed her medical record, who agrees with the parent's position on this case. Not one.
Let me correct the typo:
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As for erring: You cannot find one doctor who hasn't been hired by Mrs Schaivo's parents (or lawyers, to argue the parent's position), who has actually examined Mrs Schaivo and reviewed her medical record, who agrees with the parent's position on this case. Not one.
Now. Respond to the material content. If you can.
Dude where do you think I am. I am at home. It is funny that you can misuse my name "Timmay" deliberatly several times and fall back when you think you are being insulted. I never said "Liberal" to be an insult. I simply noted that you would be a good representitive for them. Unless you take that to be an insult. I would, but that's just me. I use my name Dude, because I have nothing to hide. I prefer Tim. |
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Originally posted by Timgraysr
I use my name Dude, because I have nothing to hide. I prefer Tim.
Dude's name is Bryan, if you want it more personal. Dude is a cool handle. My name is Michael. It's easy to find if you really want to. It's in our profiles.
Now that we are on first name basis, Tim, would you like to answer some of the questions posed to you?
It has been suggested that you lack in the critical thinking department, especially when it comes to whom has credible and/or relevant opinions in the different aspects of the Terri case.
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 18:19:38 [Permalink]
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Well, Timgraysr has just called Dude by my name, and then called filthy by Dude's name, so one really begins to wonder if he gives a rat's ass at all about this discussion. That, and the fact that he refuses to make substantial responses to perfectly valid points, of course. Hell, I think the only truly on-point response I've gotten from this guy is when I tried (apparently incorrectly) to decipher his "spell GED" comment, and that wasn't even particularly salient to the topic at hand (instead, it was just an appeal to popularity - which loses in this case, anyway).
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Several times in my life I ran into the term: "The sevens rule". ie seven minuts without air, days without water and weeks without food. I used it earlier not considering I might be wrong. Perhaps it is incorrect.
What is incorrect is your applying it as a hard-and-fast biological law, which it is not. It is about averages. Seven days isn't some magical limit imposed by nature, it is simply an average. Terri Schiavo, not being an active person, is lasting an above-average time without water. This is neither surprising nor indicative of some "fight for life."quote:
X-rays show nothing but a brain and any obstructions in the brain.The catscan that was done over ten years ago was not 100 % conclusive.
Where do you come up with these "facts?" X-rays cannot show a brain that isn't there. The catscan shows massive damage.quote:
So, it comes down to who do you trust with her life.
Only if you overturn Florida laws, first. But you didn't respond to that very important point the first time it was brought up.quote:
Some doctors that have never spent more than an hour at a time with her... Or her parents that are with her every day.
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Originally posted by Timgraysr
I use my name Dude, because I have nothing to hide
Well, that comment is personal and insulting. Kiss the moral high-ground goodbye, Tim.
Some of us, by the way, use a nickname on public forums because we'd rather not have hitmen hired by the likes of you show up on our doorsteps if we say the wrong things. It's not that we have something to hide, it's that we're scared shitless of fanatical hypocrites who think they can judge who should live and who should die. |
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And I am "Filthy" Phil. My last name in in my profile along with other, relevent information. I ain't ashamed and I ain't skeered,
Here's a slant on this that hasn't been considered as yet, at least not here:
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The second is that Ms Schiavo's best chance of returning to a cognitive state lies with stem-cell research. Although stem-cell therapy is still in its infancy, a likely future application is expected to be the replacement of damaged brain cells, such as those that have reduced Ms Schiavo to a vegetative state for the past 15 years. In a few years, it is possible that Ms Schiavo may be curable. But for this to happen, moral conservatives, including Mr Bush, would have to revise their view that stem cells not only have a right to life, but one that outweighs the right to a cognitive life of sufferers from brain conditions such as hers. Having demonstrated how much value he attaches to Ms Schiavo's life - allowing himself to be wakened in the early hours to sign the federal intervention into law - Mr Bush may one day have to decide whose hopes for life are of higher value: a woman who was in the prime of life when she was struck down by brain damage, or a group of cells forming part of an embryo of four or five days' existence.
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