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Dik-Dik Van Dik
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Posted - 04/15/2005 :  08:35:56  Show Profile Send Dik-Dik Van Dik a Private Message
What point did the split between animal and plant life occur? What was the common ancestor of both? Are fungi considered seperate from both? if so when did they branch off?

it occured to me that a planet with only plant life could have a functioning ecosystem, was this the case, then animals turned up? or did the animal and plant kiingdoms evolve in parallel?

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From the available evidence, impossible to say in my opinion. This split took place long before either became land-dwelling; possibly dating back to the original abiogenesis (or creation, if one prefers).

Interesting question, though.


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Posted - 04/15/2005 :  09:10:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Plyss a Private Message
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Originally posted by Dik-Dik Van Dik

What point did the split between animal and plant life occur? What was the common ancestor of both? Are fungi considered seperate from both? if so when did they branch off?

it occured to me that a planet with only plant life could have a functioning ecosystem, was this the case, then animals turned up? or did the animal and plant kiingdoms evolve in parallel?



Tricky questions. What do you consider a plant? Do they have to be multicellular or do algae and such count? I'm pretty sure though that fungi are seperate from both animals and plants.
That tree-of-life page that someone posted recently has some interesting information as well as lots of references
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Posted - 04/15/2005 :  11:35:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Well there are plant-like and animal-like protists so it is thought that both animals and plants came from protists, which is very reasonable. But to get any more specific than that becomes tricky. There is Euglena which has an eye spot and chloroplasts. It can detect where light is and move towards it, or it can "eat" other microorganisms.

As for plants living by themselves, I'm not certain but I don't think they can. Although they do give out some CO2, it is not much as they take in for photosynthesis. So overtime, O2 would build up (produced by photosynthesis) and there would be less and less CO2.

When this earth first started, the atmosphere had a high amount of CO2 in it. When life developed, soon photosynthetic cells started developing. The earliest one (I think) that we know of was cyanobacteria. Overtime, the concentration of O2 built up and aerobic life evolved. This was way before plants and animals existed.

Just a side note: Why does MS Word not recognize protists or cyanobacteria? Is this the same for anyone else?

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bloody_peasant
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Posted - 04/18/2005 :  07:21:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send bloody_peasant a Yahoo! Message Send bloody_peasant a Private Message
According to genetic and molecular data fungi are more closely related to animals which might be also somewhat related to the fact they are both heterotrops as opposed to autotrophs like plants.

http://tolweb.org/tree?group=Eukaryotes

A kinda new concept within biology is domains which is higher than kingdoms. Accordingly there are 3 domains, prokaryotes, archae, & eukaryotes.
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 04/19/2005 :  02:24:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
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Originally posted by Plyss

quote:
Originally posted by Dik-Dik Van Dik

What point did the split between animal and plant life occur? What was the common ancestor of both? Are fungi considered seperate from both? if so when did they branch off?

it occured to me that a planet with only plant life could have a functioning ecosystem, was this the case, then animals turned up? or did the animal and plant kiingdoms evolve in parallel?



Tricky questions. What do you consider a plant? Do they have to be multicellular or do algae and such count? I'm pretty sure though that fungi are seperate from both animals and plants.
That tree-of-life page that someone posted recently has some interesting information as well as lots of references

Ahem...that beskep posted.

If you start above the plant/mammal split you can follow it branch by branch until you come to the split. The web site is very detailed. It took me 10s of pages to get all the way to homosapien.
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