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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 05/06/2005 : 12:42:29
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The Associated Press reports:
"WASHINGTON: A highly classified British memo, leaked in the midst of Britain's just-concluded election campaign, indicates that President Bush's decision to overthrow Iraqi President Saddam Hussein by summer 2002 and was determined to ensure that U.S. intelligence data supported his policies.
"The document, which summarizes a July 23, 2002, meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair with his top security advisors, reports on a visit to Washington by the head of Britain's MI-6 intelligence service."
Further down the article says:
"'There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was no seen as inevitable,' the MI-6 chief said at the meeting, according to its memo. 'Bush wanted to remove Saddam through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD,' weapons of mass destruction."
"The principal US intelligence analysis, called a National Intelligence Estimate, wasn't completed until October 2002, well after the United States and United Kingdom had apparently decided military forces should be used ot overthrow Saddam's regime."
I was originally planning to post a link to this article, but I went first to the AP website, then to the Oregonian [my local paper]. AP tells you to go to your local paper. I typed the exact title of this article into the Oregonian's search engine, specifiying "today" and came up with nothing. Then I looked at the BBC site, where there wasn't a word about it. The AP article, physically in front of me right now, says the memo was first reported by the Sunday Times of London, and"has not been disavowed by the British government."
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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
196 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2005 : 13:46:00 [Permalink]
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I went to the Sunday Times site, and found the qrticle, which looks even worse than the AP article. Below is the address [as far as I can figure]
http://www.timesonline.co.uk - Blair planned Iraq War from the Start - Britain - Times |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 05/06/2005 : 16:47:24 [Permalink]
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"The Sunday Times The SUN is read by those who don't give a damn who runs the bloody country, as long as she's got big tits"
Edit, mistaken identity of the paper fixed. |
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Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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| Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 05/10/2005 07:39:26 |
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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
196 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2005 : 17:27:04 [Permalink]
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| Even if the Sunday Times is one step up from fish wrap, the article seems to be well-documented. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2005 : 02:20:44 [Permalink]
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Well having read Richard Clark's book, "Against All Enemies", I can't see why anyone is surprised. Clark provided plenty of documentation about Bush wanting to invade Iraq before even taking office in 2000. They discussed the plans and what kind of catastrophic political event had to take place before the public would accept the idea. No wonder there are wacko conspiracy theorists who think Bush was behind 9/11.
After 9/11 Bush wanted to invade Iraq but all agreed it wouldn't be acceptable until after Afghanistan. All that is described in Bob Woodward's two books. |
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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
196 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 15:46:24 [Permalink]
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| I'm not surprised at all - having seen Farenheit 9/11 - but it is nice to see confirmation, especially when it seems like our anemic fourth estate is slow on the uptake on the issue. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 15:07:03 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by trishran
I'm not surprised at all - having seen Farenheit 9/11 - but it is nice to see confirmation, especially when it seems like our anemic fourth estate is slow on the uptake on the issue.
But why couldn't we have seen this stuff before the election? Now no one is paying much attention so it's even more discouraging.
Wolfowitz was on a discussion panel following a Rwanda documentary on PBS last night. He plugged the Iraq war as a 'humanitarian' intervention to stop Saddam's "genocide" and complained how much flack the US has gotten for intervening that it shows why we didn't help stop the incredible slaughter in Rwanda. I had a hard time not throwing a big rock through my TV. |
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Dik-Dik Van Dik
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/09/2005 : 22:14:53 [Permalink]
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big tits?
think you might be confused with the Sun. not all british papers are trashy tabloids. The times is a conservative broadsheet |
DARWIN 3:16
"The simple believeth every word." - Proverbs 14:15
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 05/10/2005 : 07:38:10 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dik-Dik Van Dik
big tits?
think you might be confused with the Sun. not all British papers are trashy tabloids. The times is a conservative broadsheet
Damn! Yes, it's the SUN I was thinking of. How could I have missed that.
Actually, it's a (mis)quote of a funny paper I got at an English class once. There are several news-papers in it, every line starting with
<name of the news-paper> is read by those <reason>
I won't try to remember just a few lines from it, because it's the bulk of it that makes it funny. I was hoping someone else would recognise it too. I think I have that paper somewhere, but I haven't seen it for 10 years. If I find it I'll post it. The SUN quote is the last line. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
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Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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| Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 05/10/2005 07:40:50 |
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2005 : 19:40:18 [Permalink]
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I found the descriptions of British papers that Doc M. was talking about on a Web site dedicated to the TV program "Yes Prime Minister". Here it is:
quote:
The Times is read by the people who run the country. The Daily Mirror is read by the people who think they run the country. The Guardian is read by the people who think they ought to run the country. The Morning Star is read by the people who think the country ought to be run by another country. The Independent is read by people who don't know who runs the country but are sure they're doing it wrong. The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country. The Financial Times is read by the people who own the country. The Daily Express is read by the people who think the country ought to be run as it used to be run. The Daily Telegraph is read by the people who still think it is their country. And the Sun's readers don't care who runs the country providing she has big tits.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2005 : 20:16:05 [Permalink]
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| Thanks ktesibios! It's now edited and printed, and soon to be on wall somewhere in my home. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
| Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 05/10/2005 20:31:39 |
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