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pleco
SFN Addict
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 Posted - 07/20/2005 : 20:35:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
This pill is hypothetically fresh on the market, just having passed FDA approval.
If there is one pill that would NEVER EVER get FDA approval it is this one.  |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/20/2005 : 20:40:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
If there is one pill that would NEVER EVER get FDA approval it is this one.
Lol I can just read the headlines now. "Pharmaceutical company claims pill extends human life by 10,000 years. FDA warns long term health effects unknown."
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 07/21/2005 : 06:38:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Siberia
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Originally posted by pleco
(Q9) If you had the opportunity to take the 10,000-year pill right now, would you?
I sure would.
Hell yes.
No.
Even if it restored you to full health (cured your physical ailments)?
10,000 years? I doubt I would like that, given my suicidal tendencies - perhaps, if my whole family (a whooping three people, as of yet, plus assets such as dogs and husbands) could have their lives enhanced as well. Perhaps, if so did my friends (not many). Perhaps if it restored me to full health.
But ten thousand years? Most likely not. Then again, maybe I would if such thing existed. Right now, no. |
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/30/2005 : 01:22:32 [Permalink]
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OK Trish...I'm back. I'd forgoten about this thread. Anyway...
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Posted by Trish
But is Due Process applicible when it applies to voluntarily consuming an unnecessary medication, when you've (presumably) already ruled that the system can not force an individual to consume the same medication to 'more fully serve their sentence'?
Unless the state has chosen to mandate the use of Dave's Super Pill, I don't see where any legal course of action is required for voluntary use.
But, I believe the initial question Dave proposed was concerned with denying the magic pill to prisoners serving a life sentence. In many states the very existence of the pill may alter the definition of a life sentence. In such a case, due process would be required. Or, the denying of the drug would undoubtedly be challenged in court, especially if the original sentence did not include witholding a life-sustaining drug. Then, of course, we'd have to go to court to show whether this drug is indeed life-sustaining.
Due process involves application of an existing law only. If a prisoner is given the right to that drug by law and if he or she voluntarily opts for the pill due process is served by assuring that that pill is made avaible to that prisoner.
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have you not already begun by establishing that it is unconstitutional to force an inmate to take the pill to 'more fully serve their sentence'?...Why should this be at the expense of the state? I suppose this would come down to is this a covered medication vs a non-covered medication. That would ultimately be the decision of medicare/medicaid(?).
Ah, I may be wrong, but where law is concerned, I believe the precedent is that the state is responsible for the well being of the prisoner and must offer reasonable access to healthcare, (capital punishment excluded, obviously). This healthcare would include life-sustaining drugs like insulin, antibiotics and probably Dave's Super Pill.
Dave's Super Pill would not be like a flu vaccine. Without a flu vaccine, we may or may not contract a flu, and unless our imune systems are repressed for some reason, we probably won't die from a flu. With Dave's super Pill, the one certainty is that those that do not take the pill will most assuredly die 'prematurely'. In my opinion, life expectancy would have been redefined. Therefore, this drug would move into the class of drugs that are required to maintain life.
Those that do not take the drug will not be able to participate equally in society either. If our aging has changed to match our new lifespans, then our responsibilities in society would have changed, also.
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Would overcrowding not be considered criminal? (I really don't know, just asking.)
I reckon, overcrowding would be criminal if that overcrowding violated state law. The remedies to this violation are probably pretty liberal, though.
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when sentencing, the conditions of the penal system should not be of concern. However, that is a consideration when granting parole and returning parolees to prison
Yeah, it's sad that the necessities of politics usually trump the requirements of law.
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can that sentence be changed if they opt then to take the pill while incarcerated?
I hope not. The prisoner has already been sentenced for his or her crime. Unfortunately, with extended periods of youth, we'll probably be putting dangerous criminals back out on the streets in the prime of their criminal lives. I guess that would be the failing of due process.
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Is denying them the pill, denying them life? I don't think so. This pill serves no other medical purpose other than to prolong life and that alone is not enough to claim denial of life.
Personally, I believe that such a pill would change everything about our perception of what life is. If we have the chance to double our lifespans while prolonging our youth, only a few would opt out. Of those few, many would later change their minds as the grow weak and infirmed while their peers are still young and vibrant.
In short, this pill would change nearly every aspect of our society. No event from the past has had the immediate and profound effect that this magic pill would have. Almost overnight, our world would change. The way we work, the way we play, our perceptions of religion and morality, reproduction issues, retirement, representative government and a myriad of other issues would confront us. In reality, our penal system would only be one consideration among many.
Even questions about the morality of NOT taking the pill would be paramount.
Should we allow a daughter to become physically older than her mother?
If someone hasn't taken the pill, should they be allowed to collect retirement funds from a system that now takes twice as long to mature?
Could we give a forty-five year mortgage to a fifty year old that hasn't taken the pill?
Could we deny that mortgage to that same person?
Should eighteen year olds or thirty-eight year olds be allowed to enter the armed forces? Or, should that depend on whether or not they've taken the pill?
Should we increase the standard amount of time required for a mandated public education? Or, should that depend on whether a person has, hasn't, will or will not choose to take the pill?
At what point should we end parental care? Or, should that depend on the age we take the pill?
How old should we be when we take the pill?
Should a ninety year old person that's weak and infirmed be allowed to take the pill?
Should we impose legislation to curb human reproduction?
I can think of many more moral and ethical questions. I can think of enough potential problems that voluntary use of the pill will probably be phased out within a generation. The human lifespan would have been doubled, and denying Dave's Super Pill would become a criminal act in itself.
And, Trish, you made a lot of sense. I enjoyed your questions and your opinions. Thanks.
Edited to add one more silly question. How could I forget the human drive to procreate, or, ah, just be swept up in a moment of unbridled passion?
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