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verlch
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 Posted - 08/27/2005 : 01:48:48 [Permalink]
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What is the big deal. You are pretty weird and wickedly judgmental. Perhaps you'd like to discuss the morality of Pat Robertson advocating murder of an elected official then lying about having said it. Shouldn't his ideal family life prevent him from being such a jerk? Or is it the fault of everyone else? Well never mind, I am getting off topic.
Well I don't like it. If your the PC police than jump in the river.
Pat Robertson is a puppet on a string as well and just because a man claims to have an inside line to God doesn't mean he does. He has free will and he can do as he pleases.
Perhaps he didn't mean it, perhaps he owns stock in oil companies and wanted to see the price go up farther.
You and the PC police can kick rocks, you only care about opinion when it affects you. You and you evolution...
This time even louder, A LESBIAN SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A NORMAL FAMILY UNIT. What would you expect from a state run by women. Its my personal opinion and personal attacks are not going to cut it. Especially ones from your Skeptic bible that maps out your ways to attack Christians as they try to prove a point. I'm not angry, your ploy is not working. I'm all the wiser to your distraught poking the Tiger with a stick games. You appear smarter than you really are. Better revamp the attack strategy!!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 03:15:07 [Permalink]
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Mammoth and mastodon evolution is quite well documented, thank you.
Oddly, or perhaps not, they are not all that closely related, although they existed at the same time. And modern elephants evolved from neither. It's that old 'common ancestor' thingie that keeps cropping up all the time and gets more pronounced the farther back you look.
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Well I don't like it. If your the PC police than jump in the river.
Pat Robertson is a puppet on a string as well and just because a man claims to have an inside line to God doesn't mean he does. He has free will and he can do as he pleases.
I don't like it either, but bear in mind that neither Robertson nor anyone else can 'do as he pleases.' "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins." That's the point where it can get dangerous. Robertson has demonstrated himself to be a fool on many occasions.
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This time even louder, A LESBIAN SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A NORMAL FAMILY UNIT. What would you expect from a state run by women. Its my personal opinion and personal attacks are not going to cut it. Especially ones from your Skeptic bible that maps out your ways to attack Christians as they try to prove a point. I'm not angry, your ploy is not working. I'm all the wiser to your distraught poking the Tiger with a stick games. You appear smarter than you really are. Better revamp the attack strategy!!!!
I really don't know how to argue the 'correct family' topic, so I'll leave it alone. However, I'd like to point out there have been many women that came into great power that did quite well at it. Nefertitti for example, and Elizabeth I of England. Why should not a woman, if she is capable and qualified, be an effective leader? After all, it is the leader's province to act to the benefit of his/her followers, gender not withstanding. History tells us that our gender, as often as not, made a proper dogs dinner of it. For a modern example, our current president is quite possibly the most corrupt and certainly the least competant ever. He'd find a way to fuck up a soup sandwich, if I may mix the metphore a tad. Anybody, of any gender or even the undecided, could do a better job. I hope to see that useless hound kicked back up under the porch where he belongs.
If by "Skeptic's Bible" you mean this, it is no more than proper debate procedure and the pitfalls to avoid, useful, one hopes, by skeptic and Christian alike and should be examined carefully by anyone wanting to get into any sort of debate. Your problem is that you cannot come up with even a smidgen of cold hard evidence to support your conjecture. All you can do is deny. But while I must admire the effort that goes into the denial, you're still pissing into the wind.
I never figuritivly "poke the tiger with a stick," except sometimes just for the fun of it. It is always unproductive -- everybody get's their nipples twisted and it only ever results in noise. But it's fun, now and again. 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2005 : 05:46:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
How so in its most simple form? It pushes trees around and yet is so invisible. Kinda like God. You can't see Him, but by the complex world around you you can see His handy work!!!
One word review:
Craptastic.
Not like a god at all. Wind is moving air. Air exists. You can see "wind" by adding a colored gas in the air (air is just a collection of gases afterall). Easy.
Same goes for water current. If you are surrounded by water (underwater)...you can't see water current. But if you add a different color water, you can see it.
If you can't understand what is happening, it must be god. Intellectual laziness at its finest.
Funny how bigbrain, HYBRID, and this person all sound so remakably banal and pedantic. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 08:03:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I wanna see some Macro Evolution in action, not pirctures drawn by man, but some concrete proof instead of story telling to the max...
All you have to do is look around. I'm not actually surprised you deny the evidence written into God's own creation. After all, it was established long ago that your hypocrisy overwhelms your ability to use the brain that God gave you. |
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 14:00:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by verlch
I wanna see some Macro Evolution in action, not pirctures drawn by man, but some concrete proof instead of story telling to the max...
All you have to do is look around. I'm not actually surprised you deny the evidence written into God's own creation. After all, it was established long ago that your hypocrisy overwhelms your ability to use the brain that God gave you.
Actually, I suspect the verlch objects to the ability of the brain that his God gave him. That is why denying the hard work, cumulative knowledge, of others comes so easily to him. Honest inquiry is beyond him, least he burn in Hell for having used his brain. Can't take that chance with his God. |
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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2005 : 16:57:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
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Originally posted by verlch
How so in its most simple form? It pushes trees around and yet is so invisible. Kinda like God. You can't see Him, but by the complex world around you you can see His handy work!!!
One word review:
Craptastic.
Not like a god at all. Wind is moving air. Air exists. You can see "wind" by adding a colored gas in the air (air is just a collection of gases afterall). Easy.
Same goes for water current. If you are surrounded by water (underwater)...you can't see water current. But if you add a different color water, you can see it.
If you can't understand what is happening, it must be god. Intellectual laziness at its finest.
Funny how bigbrain, HYBRID, and this person all sound so remakably banal and pedantic.
As I was driving around today, I thought of something else about the wind analogy:
Many years ago, wind was an invisible force, and thought of as caused by the breath of god. As science and knowledge evolved, wind became understood as moving gas caused by temperature change. God was no longer in the picture. Now that we understand what wind is and how it is caused, the "god-did-it" explanation is no longer valid.
Unless you don't agree that wind is moving gas caused by temperature change.
Many years ago, primative man tried to explain where the world and life and man came from. Without any scientific knowledge, many stories were created, one of them being Genesis. As science and knowledge evolved, we now know that our planet and life on it has evolved. The primative stories are no longer required. Now that we have an evolving understading, the "god-did-it" explanation is no longer valid. |
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
1383 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2005 : 19:06:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I wanna see some Macro Evolution in action, not pirctures drawn by man, but some concrete proof instead of story telling to the max...
It looks to me like you see macro evolution as a single event, akin to a cat giving birth to a dog. If you do (please correct me) than you have posted nothing but a strawman.
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
1191 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2005 : 20:06:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch:
Nowdays a family in California consists of two Lesbians. You will see the fruits of that, lets watch gentlemen!!!
Hey verlch, maybe you can point me to some of your favorite websites for this sort of thing, if you know what I mean.
And welcome back. I see the institution restored your computer privileges.
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You as you sit are a genetic mutation as am I, I would not expect to see so many genetic mutations all of the same species. I would expectd to see some mutants that survive and are not wiped out. Some, maybe one, maybe on with a thrid or fourth eye or arm or leg or pivate part. Not a defect, but a mutation of a mutation so to speak. I wanna see some Macro Evolution in action, not pirctures drawn by man, but some concrete proof instead of story telling to the max...
Thanks for that, V, you crack me up
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2005 : 20:24:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
As I was driving around today, I thought of something else about the wind analogy:
Yeah, pleco, it was probably over a year ago that I explained to verlch that his "wind" thing is itself an embodiment of one of the methods of science (detecting things that we cannot directly measure). He cannot or will not understand enough to see that the whole "you can't see the wind, but you can see its effects" thing is how people figured out evolution. He is impenetrable on this (and other) points. |
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Evidently, I rock!
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 20:39:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Some, maybe one, maybe on with a thrid or fourth eye or arm or leg or pivate part.
That could do wonders to your sex life. Imagine the possibilities.
Seriously thugh, some people are born with extra fingers and toes. Some people even go as far as saying that the number of fingers and toes is an indicator of evolutionary status. See http://www.librarising.com/twelve.html. (tsk, tsk) |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 20:56:04 [Permalink]
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Holy Jesus Christ, Verlch hath returned and he still hasn't taken his meds!
Dude, seriously. Get some therapry about the whole women-men thing. Obiviously the fact that all your wives keep leaving you has caused some consternation. This may be affecting you at work, and during social events. Like at the Anti-Illuminati meetings and whatnot. So get help, OK?
But really, welcome back!
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Originally posted by verlch
Bush was smart enough to get elected twice!!!! lol...
Something all of you have failed to do. All he had to do was pretend to be Christian or truly become Christian, you decide.
Now days the government has all the gold and they make us work for paper money. So who is smarter? Them or Us???
The fundemental break down of society has come of age, nowdays a woman can't feel safe in the company of her own race, country or creed. Blame that on fatherlessness. Everything the bible has stood for morally is being broken down, can't you see it? Are you blind as bats??
So why hate Bush because he does what men with billions want him to do???
Another thing is, if I want to believe in God whats it to you?
Free will baby, you believe you evolved from a rock to a tree and then back to a rock again I believe its impossible gentlemen!!
I believe that a mound of dirt can not and will not bring forth life and to believe so is to serve your master well...who the scripture says wants nothing more than your soul.
So when you fear the night, or fear theives or rapists, remeber that the cornerstone of a lawless and criminal generation is the break down of the marriage between a man and a woman!!! See that no man takes your reward eternal life away from you!!!
21: And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22: And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23: And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24: Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25: And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Perhaps someday a stable family unit will be returned to America, instead of Heterophobes running the show. Nowdays a family in California consists of two Lesbians. You will see the fruits of that, lets watch gentlemen!!!
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 21:03:47 [Permalink]
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Nowdays a family in California consists of two Lesbians. You will see the fruits of that, lets watch gentlemen!!!
Watch two lesbians? Where do I sign up?
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 21:13:17 [Permalink]
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Nowdays a family in California consists of two Lesbians. You will see the fruits of that, lets watch gentlemen!!!
A few scenarios if all Californian families were composed of two lesbians:
1. Providing there is no one moving there, the state will be devoid of people within ~60 years (good for wildlife).
2. Some lesbian couples opt for IVF, cloning or adoption to get children. Outcome: not all Californian families consist of two lesbians.
3. A state composed of only lesbians becomes a huge tourist attraction and California gets even richer.
4. Verlch is secretly turned on by lesbians and moves to California.
Did I forget any ...fruits...? |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 21:47:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Watch two lesbians? Where do I sign up?
Waaay off topic (of course, most of verlch's ravings are off-topic, too), but a friend of mine, years ago, had a T-shirt which read "dip me in honey and throw me to the lesbians." But in answer to your question, I have a feeling that "girls gone wild" is the beginner course. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 23:17:02 [Permalink]
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I have a feeling that "girls gone wild" is the beginner course.
Saw some filming of one of those once (one of the perks of living in FL during spring break). It started, I think, as a gimmik by some guys to get women naked. Amazing how well it works.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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