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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 08/18/2005 : 14:00:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001889.jpg
Don't you have an image of this ridiculous thing in flight?
NO. AH AH AH 
Did you ask for one? .... No. You asked for links to pictures of other trainers. I have supplied them. Whether you find them ridiculous or not is immaterial. Your assertion that the LLRV was the only trainer stands refuted.
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http://www.cradleofaviation.org/exhibits/space/lm_simulator/sim.html
What is this nice setting?
A game of Disneyland?
How about a flight trainer like the ones used to train commercial airline pilots. If you don't trust them, don't ever get on a commercial airliner ever again.
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Posted - 08/19/2005 : 05:07:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
See you again soon
I'm going to the sea for the summer holidays
http://www.e-gargano.com/egarganovieste.asp?pagina=Vieste
A friendly greeting to all 
Do enjoy your holliday. I have just come off one and I hope that yours is more pleasant than was mine.
Re: explosions, they are no more than the sudden, violent release of pressure, and there are all kinds. Only the chemical ones require oxygen. Volcanic eruptions are a good example of anorexic BOOM. So are bean farts. A frozen, burst water pipe is another example, as is my ex-ol' lady's temper.
tw, you have given us a gem beyond compare! quote:
Originally posted by tw101356
They could always toss lizards until they heard one splash in the bowl. That would be a form of geckolocation.
Brings back a memory,it does. My ship had blown an engine, with considerable damage, and we spent some 6 minths in drydock, in San Juan, PR. Of course, we soon got girl friends and were living ashore except when on duty. The little house of my girl friend had a healthy population of house geckos. They would come out at night and scuttle about the walls and even the celing. every now and then, one would let go, spread itself out and hit the tile floor with a horrid splat! Geckolocate indeed, but they never hurt themselves doing it.
Now then, back to business. I haven't done more than scan this thread, not being addicted to self-inflicted pain, so if my questions concerning the finances have been answered satisfactorly, please correct me.
Where'd the money go?
That is the first question any compentent detective or investigative journalist would ask. The staggering number of billions of dollars alledgedly ripped off would not be all that easy to hide, unless, of course, the conspiricy involves the entire government as well as most of the international banks -- not impossible of course, but I still find it just a tad unlikely.
And if they just hoked it all up and didn't take any more money than necessary to build the film set, again, where is it? Has NASA's funding been continously cut as part of a coverup?
That's the big problem with woo-woo conjectures, you know. Those who put them forth never seem to think all of the ramifications through.
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sts60
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Posted - 08/19/2005 : 08:10:40 [Permalink]
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Those who put them forth never seem to think all of the ramifications through.
When you start out getting the most basic principles wrong, why worry about ramifications? Heck, good woo-woos doesn't even worry about internal consistency - they blithely contradict themselves and ignore anything that points this out. Just as they ignore every refutation and explanation that doesn't support their particular obsession. |
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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/19/2005 : 11:07:51 [Permalink]
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Before leaving for holidays I've time to say:
WHEN I WILL BE BACK I'LL WANT ABSOLUTELY TO SEE THIS STRANGE THING (A COLLAGE OF A HELICOPTER COCKPIT WITH A LATTICE)
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001889.jpg
AT LEAST IN ONE OF ITS THOUSAND FLIGHTS
Hi all again
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"Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit" (Flattery gets friends, truth hatred)
Publius Terentius Afer, "Terence", Roman dramatist
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filthy
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Posted - 08/19/2005 : 11:50:30 [Permalink]
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Hmm. B&w photo with neither caption nor date. Could be anything, and it's nothing I know anything about. NASA does a lot of odd, experimental shit that sometimes fails to work out and seldom sees the light of day. This might or not be such.
But no matter; this is no more than a rather weak red herring with nothing to do with the subject at hand.
The money, bigbrain. Where is it / who got it? Where is the fraud? Why have there been neither whistle-blowers nor inditments?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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furshur
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Posted - 08/19/2005 : 12:18:49 [Permalink]
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Hopefully this has not been shown already, I couldn't bear to go back through the thread to check it out.
Anyway, how do you explain this link, BIGBRAIN. According to you this is impossible. I know, I know trick photography or something. 
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Movie/LLRV/HTML/EM-0019-05.html
This is a very cool clip.
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sts60
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Posted - 08/19/2005 : 12:42:47 [Permalink]
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Hmm. B&w photo with neither caption nor date. Could be anything, and it's nothing I know anything about. NASA does a lot of odd, experimental shit that sometimes fails to work out and seldom sees the light of day. This might or not be such.
Lunar Excursion Module Simulator, which was supported from the overhead crane at Langley so as to simulate a 1/6 G environment. See
http://oea.larc.nasa.gov/PAIS/Landmarks.html
Again, this was purely a dynamics simulator.
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The descriptor for the LEMS, with links to larger images, is at
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2000-001889.html |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/19/2005 : 12:50:36 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain
Before leaving for holidays I've time to say:
WHEN I WILL BE BACK I'LL WANT ABSOLUTELY TO SEE THIS STRANGE THING (A COLLAGE OF A HELICOPTER COCKPIT WITH A LATTICE)
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001889.jpg
AT LEAST IN ONE OF ITS THOUSAND FLIGHTS
Hi all again
Sorry Ace, we've coughed up refutation for your only one trainer bull. Now it's your turn.
Answer the following questions that have been put to you
For your convenience, I have classified them and referenced who asked the question. In the case of multiple people asking the same question, I have tried to list all of the people who asked.
The categories are GEN - for general questions relation to personal experiences, DI - for questions about Deep Impact/Temple 1, EX - for questions about explosives/flammable materials, and LM - for questions relating to space travel
1)(LM) Where is the money scammed off of the moon shot program? -- filthy/Fripp/H Humbert
2) (LM) Who's got it? -- filthy/Fripp
3) (LM) Did NASA plan all the well-publicized failures as well? -- Fripp
4) (LM) So maybe you could explain to me how we should know (again, we are ignoring all the stuff that has been posted) how NASA controls their probes? -- Ricky
5) (DI) Now if this was a NASA hoax how did they get the comet to brighten at just the right moment? -- Stargirl/Kil
6) (DI) Or are professional and amateur astronomers from around the world in cahoots with NASA too? -- Stargirl
7) (DI) Or maybe you think NASA asked a psychic when the comet would brighten due to a natural outburst and used that time for their time of impact? -- Stargirl
8) (DI) What were exposure settings for the first photo? -- pleco
9) (EX) Then why is water used to extinguish fires? -- Fripp
10) (LM) Can you show your plan for getting the satellite up to that speed and the trajectory, including the math showing the gravitation pull of the planets and sun, plus the amount of money required? -- pleco
11) (LM) what evidence do you have that Softimage, Maya, 3D Studio Max, LightWave 3D invent these images for NASA? -- Me
12) (GEN) Have you ever piloted a plane? -- pleco
13) (LM) How fast was Cassini actually going when the launch vehicle quit pushing it? -- Dave W
14) (LM) How high (from the Earth) was Cassini when the launch vehicle quit pushing it? -- Dave W
These are all the questions I can find placed to you in the last 29 pages of this subject. You have yet to respond to any of them. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/19/2005 : 13:18:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sts60
Hmm. B&w photo with neither caption nor date. Could be anything, and it's nothing I know anything about. NASA does a lot of odd, experimental shit that sometimes fails to work out and seldom sees the light of day. This might or not be such.
Lunar Excursion Module Simulator, which was supported from the overhead crane at Langley so as to simulate a 1/6 G environment. See
http://oea.larc.nasa.gov/PAIS/Landmarks.html
Again, this was purely a dynamics simulator.
(edited to add)
The descriptor for the LEMS, with links to larger images, is at
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2000-001889.html
Mid to late '60s, then. Small wonder I know nothing about it... When they were gearing up for moon shots, I had much more pressing matters on my mind.
Thanks!
Now we await the return of bigbrain from holiday. I wonder when/if he will address the questions Val has listed (Val, you are going to warp your centers of logic and probably stunt your growth digging back through threads like this one. I wouldn't do it even for verlch, whom I rather liked). 
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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sts60
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Posted - 08/19/2005 : 20:07:07 [Permalink]
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HBs (hoax believers) in particular and woo-woos in general like to ask questions, but not for the same reason you or I do. We ask questions to find out information - to learn something. The woo-woos ask questions simply to generate FUD in their audience. A truly skeptical audience recognizes this for what it is and digs for the real answers. But the WW isn't interested in the answers. Since most of them are astoundingly ignorant and often just plain disconnected from reality, they have a strong tendency to ignore the answers - including ones that explicitly provide evidence which the HB has demanded.
This failure to answer questions posed of them is a natural extension of their particular obsession, which admits no idea or fact which runs counter to their narrow worldview. Such behavior can be quite similar to just plain trolling, except that the troll doesn't really believe anything he says. |
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Posted - 08/21/2005 : 05:08:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
A friendly greeting from Vieste - Gargano - Puglia - Italy
http://www.geocities.com/ameri1cano/Saturn.jpg
Neat pic! Thanks!
But it raises the question of: why bother? To claim Saturn is rather silly in that it can be neither exploited nor defended. Believe me, if it were possible, our greed-inspired administration would be all over it, the pigs.
I enjoyed Italy back in the late '50s, when my ship was a regular visitor to Napals. I took leave a couple of times and traveled around a bit. Lovely country. I especally liked Venice.
So enjoy your holiday and don't trouble your head ahout us. We'll still be here when you return...
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/21/2005 : 16:05:50 [Permalink]
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Acutally, filthy, the point that bigbrain is trying to make with the silly Saturn graphic is that just like in photos from the Moon, in pictures of Saturn, you can't see any stars behind it. bigbrain has graciously, but stupidly, put that stars "back" into the scene where he thinks - incorrectly - they should be.
Of course, what it really means is that bigbrain doesn't have a clue about how cameras work. And so I sincerely hope he doesn't injure himself snapping family photos while on vacation. |
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