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Starman
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Sweden
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 Posted - 08/18/2005 : 07:06:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
You and Dr. Mabuse assume I follow God because I am afraid not going to heaven. Not true.
I did not assume anything about you.
My comment to Dr. Mabuses post was general.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:06:21 [Permalink]
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In response to the_ignored's first post: he quotes come from the same culture I am; where that kind of thing is registered as creepy.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding and need some clarification. Are you saying that it is creepy for a man to take a shower with his young son or are you saying that it is creepy for a man to take a shower with his son with the intention of preventing homosexuality?
I do think that a dad deciding to take a shower with his little boy for that purpose is creepy, but there's nothing creepy about parents being naked around their kids. I and most of my cousins took baths with our parents (of both the same and opposite sex) when we were little kids. My friend Connie's parents are at-home nudists and so they walked around the house naked while their kids were growing up.
My friend Lara just commented that if you really want to prevent your son from being gay, he should take a shower with a hot chick. *KIDDING* |
"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:07:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by R.Wreck
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[Theft and dishonesty have real social negative affects. What negative affect does being gay have, besides upsetting some mouth breathing lunatics?
I am talking about what God consideres sin, not what negative impact it has on society. I will follow Gods morals before our societies morals.
You are not very far from justifying murder in the name of god. Would you kill if god told you too? God has done this in the past (according to the religios texts i.e. bible), so please don't say that god would never do that.
I realize this is OFF-TOPIC, so if you want to reply in another thread (or not at all) it is okay. |
by Filthy
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 13:10:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
.... It takes God to help me overcome these desires. The same is for steeling, lying and homosexuality.
No, it takes YOU to overcome those desires. You may use God as your rationale but in the end you make the decisions. That's what your Bible says doesn't it?
Desires to do selfish things are also a trade off. It isn't whether something is moral, it's whether we choose one thing over another. Kids lie. Anyone whose raised a little bugger knows that. They lie even when it isn't in their best interest because they have a natural drive not to incriminate themselves. (It's a genetic function of social evolution in the world according to beskeptigal.)
Men on the whole do have desires for sex beyond ties to one's partner. Women do as well but loyalty to a partner is a stronger drive in women. (This comment is on the whole. Individuals clearly have a range of emotions from loyalty to sexual adventurism.)
But choosing to cheat can come at a great cost. People choose, they don't just refrain because of some 'moral' imperative. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 13:12:28 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by R.Wreck
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[Theft and dishonesty have real social negative affects. What negative affect does being gay have, besides upsetting some mouth breathing lunatics?
I am talking about what God consideres sin, not what negative impact it has on society. I will follow Gods morals before our societies morals.
What do you do when there is that contradiction in Biblical text? An eye for an eye or turn the other cheek? You have to rationalize which is correct in order to choose a path. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 13:16:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
In response to the_ignored's first post: he quotes come from the same culture I am; where that kind of thing is registered as creepy.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding and need some clarification. Are you saying that it is creepy for a man to take a shower with his young son or are you saying that it is creepy for a man to take a shower with his son with the intention of preventing homosexuality?
I do think that a dad deciding to take a shower with his little boy for that purpose is creepy, but there's nothing creepy about parents being naked around their kids. I and most of my cousins took baths with our parents (of both the same and opposite sex) when we were little kids. My friend Connie's parents are at-home nudists and so they walked around the house naked while their kids were growing up.
My friend Lara just commented that if you really want to prevent your son from being gay, he should take a shower with a hot chick. *KIDDING*
The latter. There is nothing wrong with how modest or immodest a family chooses to be around each other. As a single Mom who raised a son, hey, I saw no reason to close the bathroom door until my son got old enough to initiate privacy himself. |
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 13:21:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
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Originally posted by Robb
.... It takes God to help me overcome these desires. The same is for steeling, lying and homosexuality.
No, it takes YOU to overcome those desires. You may use God as your rationale but in the end you make the decisions. That's what your Bible says doesn't it?
I respect that this is what you beleive. I disagree. |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 13:27:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
What do you do when there is that contradiction in Biblical text? An eye for an eye or turn the other cheek? You have to rationalize which is correct in order to choose a path.
If you pray and study the scriptures as a whole, God will give you discernment on what to do in any situation. |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 13:45:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
What do you do when there is that contradiction in Biblical text? An eye for an eye or turn the other cheek? You have to rationalize which is correct in order to choose a path.
If you pray and study the scriptures as a whole, God will give you discernment on what to do in any situation.
If that were the case, then we wouldn't have so many christian denominations, and so many christians arguing about stuff like whether there's a real eternal hell or not |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 13:47:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
You are not very far from justifying murder in the name of god. Would you kill if god told you too? God has done this in the past (according to the religios texts i.e. bible), so please don't say that god would never do that.
I realize this is OFF-TOPIC, so if you want to reply in another thread (or not at all) it is okay.
God has killed people. The people he killed in the bible were not going to repent and were wicked. God acted in righteous judgement. Like it or not, the wages of sin is death.
As to your question, would I kill if God told me to, I don't know. It would take alot of prayer and faith to trust god in something like that. The story of Abraham and Isaac comes to mind. Right now I do not have enough faith to do what Abraham did. |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 13:59:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
God has killed people. The people he killed in the bible were not going to repent and were wicked.
So you believe in pre-destination?
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by Filthy
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 15:23:25 [Permalink]
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If you pray and study the scriptures as a whole, God will give you discernment on what to do in any situation.
I think you've backed yourself into a logic trap from which you cannot escape and remain rational.
Free will or not?
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 16:28:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
God has killed people. The people he killed in the bible were not going to repent and were wicked. God acted in righteous judgement. Like it or not, the wages of sin is death.
[/quote]Even when those he killed have not sinned themselves? Example: David and Bathsheba's first love child? The parents fooled around, and as punishment god kills the kid. |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 16:47:56 [Permalink]
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| We should be getting pretty close to the "God is outside of human understanding" argument. |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 18:04:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
It may be natural or unnatural, I do not know. I only know it is unnatural for me but it could be natural for some. I take their word for it that they were born homosexual. If left to natural desires some not all people would steal, lie, commit adultery and some would and do commit murder. I have thoughts about pretty women when I see them that are wrong and is sin. It takes God to help me overcome these desires. The same is for steeling, lying and homosexuality.
It takes a god to overcome the desires you have regarding attractive women?!? Wow-- those must be pretty powerful desires. Because I have some desires about attractive women all the time. Yet me, in all my godlessness, still don't act on them. Funny how things work... |
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