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the_ignored
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 Posted - 08/17/2005 : 21:41:50
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At least according to the author of this article
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An oil expert and author who correctly forecast $3 per gallon gasoline in the United States this year says the price will reach $5 next year.
Craig Smith, author of "Black Gold Stranglehold," told the Chicago Sun-Times there's also a possibility the price could hit $10 per gallon if terrorists strike a major Middle East oil field.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
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> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
 Posted - 08/17/2005 : 23:40:01 [Permalink]
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Welcome to my world.
I pay more than 5.50. |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 05:02:57 [Permalink]
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| To tell you the truth, I hope they keep going up. Maybe that will force some REAL changes in the US, both policy and culturally. |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:27:18 [Permalink]
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Not until we have enough cars that use other fuels.
Here in Sweden the fuel consumption is about the same as when the prices were lower.
I'm not impressed by the biofuel prices (cost/distance) either. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 10:46:46 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
To tell you the truth, I hope they keep going up. Maybe that will force some REAL changes in the US, both policy and culturally.
I have to drive nearly 50 miles one way to work. That isn't by choice, that is simply my financial reality. Even though I drive a fuel efficient car, higher gas prices will impact me and people like me far more quickly and painfully than they can spur changes in industry. Wish for change, work for change, but I think cheering for high gas prices is misguided and perhaps a bit insensitive.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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| Edited by - H. Humbert on 08/18/2005 10:49:13 |
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Stargirl
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 12:04:12 [Permalink]
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I have to agree with H.H. on this one. I read somewhere that the average commute in the U.S. is about 20 miles one way and as he said that's not by choice. If gas prices reach 5 dollars a gallon or higher there will be many people who simply won't be able to afford to drive to work. And mass transit outside of urban centers in the U.S. is nonexistent or inadequate at best so for many that isn't even an alternative. It would take me almost two hours to get to work using mass transit. But working second shift I couldn't use it anyway because half of the bus routes I would need stop running long before I get off work.
Most of the people in Bush's administration came from big oil and will probably go back to big oil at the end of his term. And since the higher oil prices go the more profits the oil companies make it's unlikely that anything will be done soon. Just look at the recently passed Energy Bill that is more of a cash giveaway than an attempt to solve any energy problems. Knowing a couple entrepreneurs who are feeling the pinch I personally think this administration could care less about how high energy and fuel costs are hurting small business. So it won't be until large industries are suffering and start putting on the pressure that any solution will be attempted. Unfortunately it may already be too late to avoid a major crisis.
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 12:14:02 [Permalink]
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| Well actually we (usa) pay well over 5$ a gallon already, the cost of actually acquiring the oil, (a cost that other nations dont share) is so vast that it outvalues the oil itself. This cost is passed to us via the income tax, while other countries just tax the gas. |
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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 12:26:50 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Well actually we (usa) pay well over 5$ a gallon already, the cost of actually acquiring the oil, (a cost that other nations dont share) is so vast that it outvalues the oil itself. This cost is passed to us via the income tax, while other countries just tax the gas.
This is news to me... can you elaborate on this? |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 12:53:31 [Permalink]
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| H et al, I don't mean to sound cold, but I don't see change coming any other way than something drastic like a big spike in gas price. For the good of the country in the long run, I think a higher gas price will usher in a political and cultural change fastest. |
by Filthy
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 13:16:57 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
H et al, I don't mean to sound cold, but I don't see change coming any other way than something drastic like a big spike in gas price. For the good of the country in the long run, I think a higher gas price will usher in a political and cultural change fastest.
And if a few thousand families lose their homes, they can sleep soundly knowing it was good for the country in the long run? Yes, that does sound cold.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 16:50:28 [Permalink]
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| H, it will affect me directly too. My parents own a company which ships cargo via truck to and from different destinations. While diesel has a different price, it too has been going up and this directly affects their ability to stay in business. I say this just to point out that I do understand the dilemma. |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 17:07:32 [Permalink]
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Welcome to my world.
I pay more than 5.50.
Actually, we here in the US DO pay alot for gasoline. Just not as much at the pump as Europe does.
The US government subsidizes our oil indusrty to the tune of $100billion a year, and they get about that much again in tax breaks and other things less easy to quantify in hard $$ terms. (like free use of federal lands, etc)
We pay for the gas, and if we end up paying as much as Europeans do at the pump... there will be political turmoil.
At the moment the oil industry is, I believe, pushing the market to see just how much people will pay for gas.
Which is funny, because the oil companies in the US are some of the most profitable companies around, bar none.
I make an average of $50k/year. When/if gas hits $5/gallon.... I'll be trading up my truck for a hybrid car, or maybe a full electric. If it ever gets to $10/gallon.... it will not be pretty.
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 17:14:35 [Permalink]
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| I'm looking to buy a new car in the next 6 months and I am SERIOUSLY considering a hybrid. |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 17:29:33 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
H, it will affect me directly too. My parents own a company which ships cargo via truck to and from different destinations. While diesel has a different price, it too has been going up and this directly affects their ability to stay in business. I say this just to point out that I do understand the dilemma.
I'm not saying the U.S. doesn't need to lessen their dependancy on oil. It does. I just have a problem wishing ill on people in order to force change. It might come to that, but that isn't anything anyone with a conscience should be hoping for. I hope the change will come before then.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
| Edited by - H. Humbert on 08/18/2005 17:29:52 |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 17:37:09 [Permalink]
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| I do not wish ill upon anyone, and in that respect my comment was short-sighted and callous and I apologize for that aspect of it. |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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| Edited by - pleco on 08/18/2005 17:37:26 |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26031 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 19:46:58 [Permalink]
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pleco, if you're at all interested in a hybrid, you'd better get on a waiting list now. They're not building the things fast enough to satisfy demand.
Now, I remember the gas lines of the 1970s. I don't remember particularly steep prices, then (I was in single-digit years, though, so my memory may not be good). So, today we've got plenty of gas, but the price is high. Back then, little gas but the price wasn't outrageous (IIRC). Has the law of supply and demand been overturned? What gives? |
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