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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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 Posted - 08/19/2005 : 00:16:17 [Permalink]
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The oil companies are exploiting the "terror" and the "war" to drive up prices when there is absolutely no reason too. They will continue to do so until consumers and/or the governemnt react. As a corporation, their responsibiliy is to the shareholders, so in a free market sense what they are doing is correct (assuming there isn't any price fixing which I would bet there is).
It's funny Dave I saw an advert for the Honday Hybrid tonight on the tellie. I bet they ramp up production... |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 00:35:01 [Permalink]
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Manipulation of the refined fuel output in the US is the reason.
They can claim limited supply, but the reality is that all fuel refined in the US comes from a small number of refineries.
If they are capable of producing enough fuel, and I have heard nothing about them not being able to actually meet the demand, then we should not be seeing this price increase.
Of course, crude oil is at an alltime high... $66/barrel yesterday if I remember correctly. That is related to the current situation in the middle east to some degree.
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
3192 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 09:56:43 [Permalink]
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| In addition to what was already said about the large subsidies, some of the the huge cost of the wars and defense in general is also part of the income taxs due to oil issue. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26031 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 15:43:38 [Permalink]
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Last week about this time, filling up at the cheapest gas station I knew of (one particular Exxon) cost $2.59 per gallon. This morning, as I passed that station, it was $3.09, and it had gone up another dime in the eight hours I was at work. The Shell station across the street, which is usually a penny more expensive, was cheaper at $3.15. The Shell station a quarter-mile down the road, however, was $3.23.
Sure, these aren't the highest prices in the U.S., but I'm just amazed at both the price jump and the insane variability.
(All prices for regular unleaded, and actually nine-tenths of a penny higher than stated.) |
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
2562 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2005 : 17:39:50 [Permalink]
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Well, there's this site versus this site.
On a humorous note, the first guy has a link to the second guy on his "Preparations" page under point #6: Yes, people really are as deep in denial as it seems.
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PlecoIt's funny Dave I saw an advert for the Hyundai Hybrid tonight on the tellie. I bet they ramp up production...
I hope stuff like that is true. |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2005 : 19:38:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
Last week about this time, filling up at the cheapest gas station I knew of (one particular Exxon) cost $2.59 per gallon. This morning, as I passed that station, it was $3.09, and it had gone up another dime in the eight hours I was at work. The Shell station across the street, which is usually a penny more expensive, was cheaper at $3.15. The Shell station a quarter-mile down the road, however, was $3.23.
Sure, these aren't the highest prices in the U.S., but I'm just amazed at both the price jump and the insane variability.
(All prices for regular unleaded, and actually nine-tenths of a penny higher than stated.)
Right, Dave. The quickness of the jump is quite amazing-- I paid on Friday morning $3.05. It was the lowest I could find after driving around to my "usual suspect" stations. Today-- about 30 hours later, that same station was at $3.59!! Yes, in some perverted way, supply and demand is in effect. But price gouging is also in effect. Happily, I don'r drive much (I live a block from campus where I spend most of my time), but if I did, I know I'd be hurting right now... |
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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
196 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2005 : 14:35:24 [Permalink]
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| I just got back from a trip to Albany NY, Vermont and NYC, and after Katrina hit [literally hours after] gas prices in that region went from an average of $2.85 a gallon to $3.95-4.04. In the Portland OR area, gas prices are currently around $2.85. I couldn't help but notice that the effect of lost petroleum from a hurricane thousands of miles away could not have been instant, but Labor Day Weekend - and all the family travel that inspires - was just around the corner when the gas prices shot up. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9696 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2005 : 02:42:52 [Permalink]
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| That's free market economy for you... |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Subjectmatter
Skeptic Friend
173 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2005 : 04:12:44 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by pleco
To tell you the truth, I hope they keep going up. Maybe that will force some REAL changes in the US, both policy and culturally.
I have to drive nearly 50 miles one way to work. That isn't by choice, that is simply my financial reality. Even though I drive a fuel efficient car, higher gas prices will impact me and people like me far more quickly and painfully than they can spur changes in industry. Wish for change, work for change, but I think cheering for high gas prices is misguided and perhaps a bit insensitive.
Shouldn't you get a tax refund for that? My knowledge of taxation laws is limited at best but I'm pretty certain that at least in this country if you save an hour a day going to work by car as opposed to using mass transit you should recieve a alleviation to taxes to offset the expense... |
Sibling Atom Bomb of Couteous Debate |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9696 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2005 : 14:35:25 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Subjectmatter
Shouldn't you get a tax refund for that? My knowledge of taxation laws is limited at best but I'm pretty certain that at least in this country if you save an hour a day going to work by car as opposed to using mass transit you should recieve a alleviation to taxes to offset the expense...
I seriously doubt that. Remember, from an American perspective, Swedish economy including taxation and subsidies are only that far removed from Soviet Communism style of government. They don't even have a national health insurance! |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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