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Why do NASA's buffoons use fisheye lens?
Sorry i'm getting into this late.
You are such an f'ing moron. I explained this in the last thread. NASA uses a fisheye lens so they can can keep everything in focus. Fisheye lenses have an infinite DOF. Do you know what DOF means?
BTW, you haven't answered one question asked of you, bonehead. Plus, in the last thread, you claimed that I said that I was an "expert" in 3D programs. Did I or did I not claim that I was an expert? "YES" or "NO"? Answer the question.
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 09:01:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
PERSPECTIVE - LESSON 4
http://www.geocities.com/ameri1cano/perspective.jpg
That's a start.
PERSPECTIVE - Lesson 5 - Hills are in front of the horizon.
Now draw a hill behind the LM. The hill obscures the true horizon and creates an artificial horizon which is higher than the true horizon. The lines connecting the tips of the legs still point to the true horizon, which is behind the hill.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 09:22:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
Dear friend Valiant Dancer, I haven't much time, I'm using the computer of hotel owner.
Do you remember this question?
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
"... As has been pointed out several times before but you ardently refuse to listen, the craft you show is not the only one used for training ..."
Originally posted by bigbrain
>>> ”Then show the others, please”
OK.
in flight testing of the LM.
http://dayton.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001110.jpg
time lapse photo of lander trainer
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001281.jpg
here's a later LM trainer.
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001744.jpg
A better picture of the same
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001889.jpg
(edited to add more pictures)
LM training in Earth orbit.
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001106.jpg
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YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED
The first and the last image show LM used to go to the Moon.
The other ones show the same strange collage of a helicopter cockpit with a lattice.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT RIDICULOUS OLD CROCK IN FLIGHT
LET ME SEE IT IN FLIGHT AND I WILL ANSWER ALL OTHER QUESTIONS.
It's too wonderful here  Do you like windsurf?
That is a bald faced lie. You have shown throughout your tenure here that you will not answer questions at all. I do not believe that if I were able to show you the craft in flight, (I can't. It's a ground based trainer.) you will answer any of the questions put to you.
The LM's shown were from pre-landing flights so that the astronauts could practice docking/undocking and moving from the CM to the LM. It is still a trainer. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 09:24:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
I have already answered all questions of Valiant Dancer
For example:
11) (LM) what evidence do you have that Softimage, Maya, 3D Studio Max, LightWave 3D invent these images for NASA? -- Me
"Do you believe this picture is real?
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/f/044/2F130264571EFF0700P1120L0M1.HTML
Why do NASA's buffoons use fisheye lens?
To make all these poor pictures more mysterious, more interesting.
But all these pictures are very ugly, very poor: is Mars only a sphere full of stones?
WHY IS THIS PICTURE FAKE?
Look at the "sky". It seems a grey level surface illuminated by a spot light. Where are all the variegated gradations, shadows, tones, nuances of the atmosphere?
Is Mars so insignificant, so inexpressive?
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, DEAR GULLIBLE PEOPLE"
This does not constitue proof. It is conjecture based on the quality of the pictures. As TV was in it's infancy at the time the moon shot happened, they were using cameras which were actually portable. |
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 09:49:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
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Originally posted by Dave W.
... you're wrong if the photo is being taken uphill, which this one seems to be ...
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PERSPECTIVE - LESSON 2
Suppose you have the sea (almost an infinite plane) in front of you.
Well, where do you see horizon? AT THE HEIGHT OF YOUR EYES.
Climb up a higher place. Where do you see horizon? AT THE HEIGHT OF YOUR EYES.
Joining with two lines the two legs on the left and the two legs on the right of LM we have seen horizon should be above the astronaut's head.
SO THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN BY A CAMERA AT 1.8 - 2 METERS (as regards the plane of legs) OF HEIGHT AND NOT UPHILL.
Put a chair in your garden and take a picture.
Join the two legs on the left with a line and the two legs on the right with another line.
You'll see horizon is in the intersection point of the two lines AT THE HEIGHT OF YOUR CAMERA.
Put the chair horizontal hanging on a tree at three meters of height and take a picture UPHILL.
How do you see its legs now? THE TWO LEGS (their feet) BEHIND ARE BELOW THE TWO LEGS (their feet) IN FRONT OF YOU.
IF YOU TAKE PICTURES UPHILL, THINGS CHANGE COMPLETELY.
YOU CAN'T CONFUTE THIS ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE
What a load of crap. If I go to the observation deck of the Sears Tower (floor 103), I note the horizon is about the level of my waist. The cameras mounted on the astronaut's chest (they were not hand held) is tilted slightly upwards and therefore shift the percieved horizon down the picture.
Using your "superior" logic, should we also believe these people were never at the Grand Canyon?
http://re2.mm-c1.yimg.com/image/998190766
http://www.suejennings.net/Grand_Canyon_August_2003/Grand_Canyon_08_2003_31.JPG
YOU CANNOT CONFUTE THESE PEOPLE WERE NEVER AT THE GRAND CANYON!!!! 3D STUDIO MAX MUST HAVE BEEN USED. THERE IS A GREAT CONSPIRACY ABOUT IT!!! |
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 11:34:12 [Permalink]
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That's where my money goes,
Just to buy that gal cloths.
I'll buy her anything,
To keep her frame in style....
At least I would if I had any money. There must be a great pile of it somewhere, embezzled from the Space Program. Wealth beyond the wet dreams of the most veneal oil CEO, it is! Sure wish I knew it's location -- I'd extort me some to show off my main squeeze...
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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 12:16:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
http://www.suejennings.net/Grand_Canyon_August_2003/Grand_Canyon_08_2003_31.JPG
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You haven't yet understood but it's not your fault.
IN THAT IMAGE OF GRAND CANYON THE HORIZON IS AT THE HEIGHT OF THE CAMERA USED TO TAKE THE PICTURE (HIGHEST HORIZON).
Maybe you should go to a clever oculist too.
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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 12:24:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tw101356
That's a start.
PERSPECTIVE - Lesson 5 - Hills are in front of the horizon.
Now draw a hill behind the LM. The hill obscures the true horizon and creates an artificial horizon which is higher than the true horizon. The lines connecting the tips of the legs still point to the true horizon, which is behind the hill.
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Your reasoning is perfect.
Conclusion?
THIS PICTURE IS FAKE, ISN'T IT?
"NASA'S BUFFOONS" BAND MADE IT IN A STUDIO WITH SPOT LIGHTS.
http://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/5927.jpg
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 13:24:15 [Permalink]
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If the lander is standing on a surface even slightly inclining away from the photographer, then that surface under the lander will create a "false" perspective-horizon above the actual lunar horizon. BigBrain, you reasoning only holds true under the conditions 1) the lander is oriented exactly level (perpendicular to the gravitational) and 2) your camera (or your eye's view) is exactly level. Even the slightest angle of your view, and you will will not have a correct horizon.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 13:58:48 [Permalink]
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http://www.suejennings.net/Grand_Canyon_August_2003/Grand_Canyon_08_2003_31.JPG
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You haven't yet understood but it's not your fault.
IN THAT IMAGE OF GRAND CANYON THE HORIZON IS AT THE HEIGHT OF THE CAMERA USED TO TAKE THE PICTURE (HIGHEST HORIZON).
Maybe you should go to a clever oculist too.
Well, liar. Evidentially the whole Grand Canyon is a big hole in the ground thing wizzed by you. Since the aforementioned picture includes the opposite rim, your vast ignorance of perspective is understandable.
I suppose the whole hill in the background arguement wizzed by you too.
I understand it plenty. Your conclusions are wrong. |
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:02:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
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Originally posted by tw101356
That's a start.
PERSPECTIVE - Lesson 5 - Hills are in front of the horizon.
Now draw a hill behind the LM. The hill obscures the true horizon and creates an artificial horizon which is higher than the true horizon. The lines connecting the tips of the legs still point to the true horizon, which is behind the hill.
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Your reasoning is perfect.
Conclusion?
THIS PICTURE IS FAKE, ISN'T IT?
"NASA'S BUFFOONS" BAND MADE IT IN A STUDIO WITH SPOT LIGHTS.
http://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/5927.jpg
Nope. The picture is genuine. Your understanding of perspective and ignorance of the consistancy of ground color as well as ignorance of exposure times against reflective surfaces is astounding. That isn't a spotlight. It's the sun sans atmosphere to diffuse it.
In order to see the astronaut, the exposure had to be longer which overexposed sections of the LM due to sunlight.
Get a photography book to go along with the remedial physics book you need. |
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:24:13 [Permalink]
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THIS IS THE DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE THAT NASA'S BUFFOONS FAKED ALL IMAGES OF LUNAR LANDINGS
http://geocities.com/ameri1cano/perspective-3.jpg
BIGBRAIN, THE MAN WHO UNMASKED NASA
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 16:01:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
THIS IS THE DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE THAT NASA'S BUFFOONS FAKED ALL IMAGES OF LUNAR LANDINGS
http://geocities.com/ameri1cano/perspective-3.jpg
BIGBRAIN, THE MAN WHO UNMASKED NASA
Big talk. When are you going to provide evidence for your claim that can't be shot down as easily as what you have provided thus far?
And if you and the lunar landing woo-woos don't know where the money went, why are you not trying to find out? That's a hole big enough to bury Cape Kennedy because a great deal of it is still being paid out for probes and the Mars exploration. I repeat: that kind of cash is hard to hide.
C'mon bigbrain, give us something other than feebly supported and unsupported claims.
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