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GeeMack
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USA
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 Posted - 08/24/2005 : 21:39:45
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Geology is among my many interests. Although I am a rank amateur, I find earthquakes intriguing and enjoy reading about current seismic activity. We have a potentially dangerous fault here in the Midwest, at about New Madrid, Missouri, near the southern tip of my state, Illinois. I often check the data on nearby quakes and those near Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming, because I enjoy traveling out there every few years. Lately I've also noticed much activity coming from Mt. St. Helens in Washington, northwestern USA.
While looking up current information on Mt. St. Helens, the search engine sometimes hits on scattered pages written by the nescient faithful. From their point of view we are being duped by the vast majority of modern geological scientists. Sound familiar? Fortunately these "researchers" have seen through the sham and endeavor to bring us closer to the truth.
You'll recognize the simple strategy. Poke a few pin holes in a theory, find a few little inconsistencies, and voila! Completely invalidate all scientific evidence supporting the theory. Of course this proves in turn that the only other possible explanations come straight from the Bible. Oh, us silly humans. Why do we even waste our time on scientific pursuits? The answers have been laying right there in front of us the whole time!
Find one of these articles here... 'Ages' obtained for the lava dome of Mt St Helens, by A. J. Monty Whitequote:
The data from the potassium-argon dating of the dacite lava from Mount St Helens should help us understand -- the age of the earth determined by radiometric dating may be wildly inaccurate and cannot be trusted. There is no convincing evidence that the earth is billions of years old.
By contrast, the Word of God can be trusted when it points to a recent creation. God was there when he created and he has revealed this to us in the pages of Scripture.
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A. J. Monty White BSc, PhD, CChem, MRSC is a chemistry graduate who also studied geology at university. Following a career in university administration at Cardiff University, Monty joined Answers in Genesis (UK/Europe) as Chief Executive in 2000.
No convincing evidence, eh? Well, if you say so. After all, you studied geology at university.
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CourseKnot
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 08/25/2005 : 12:14:34 [Permalink]
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| I think alot of people have a problem with comprehending time on a geologic and cosmic scale. It's hard enough for some to think in terms of thousands of years let alone billions. It's easier to think that God created everything a long unspecified time ago than to bust a brain cell trying to understand reality. |
Just flying through space with the rest of you... |
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furshur
SFN Regular
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Posted - 08/25/2005 : 12:57:55 [Permalink]
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This sounds like the typical bullshit of a YEC. No Geologist would try to use K-Ar to date lava from Mt. St Helens!!
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As the simulation of the processing of potassium-argon samples showed, the standard deviations for K-Ar dates are so large that resolution higher than about a million years is almost impossible to achieve. Potassium-argon dating is accurate from 4.3 billion years (the age of the Earth) to about 100,000 years before the present.
Some moron probably collected a sample and sent it for analysis to prove his point. I guess it is OK to be a lie if it is to save a soul.
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Jumbo
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Posted - 08/26/2005 : 02:15:30 [Permalink]
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| It very much looks like a case of finding one, either flaw or just misunderstanding one piece of evidence and then declaring all other evidence invalid. Of course if the evidence is invalid it must be that 'godditit'. The if i dont understand it then it must have been done by magic is something i find disturbing enough in the general populace but given this gentleman has been employed for decades in the university i graduated from im gob smacked. Im just thankful it appears he didnt hold a teaching position in Cardiff. |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 08/26/2005 : 03:15:34 [Permalink]
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The always useful Index to Creationist Claims, by Mark Isaak:
Now available in book form : The Counter-Creationism Handbook
Claim CD013: - Potassium-argon dating of rocks from lava flows known to be modern gave ages millions to billions of years older.
Claim CD013.1:The conventional K-Ar dating method was applied to the new lava dome at Mount St. Helens, Washington. These ages show that the K-Ar method is invalid.
Welcome to SFN, Jumbo! |
"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/26/2005 : 03:17:37 [Permalink]
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Greetings Courseknot and Jumbo. Welcome to SFN!
The great fallicy here is that there in no emperical evidence for the existance of any sort of god(s). AiG is merely pulling their no-eye-witness gag again, claiming that the authors of Genesis were such. A good shoot-down for it is to point out that the fossil record is such an order that it can be and is used as an index for the history of life on earth, and it is in the order predicted by the ToE. If someone lays this on you, ask them, whilst trying not to giggle, to produce the Devonian Bunny. The legendary lagomorph will remain a legend, and the reply will be blather.
It is also a good argument, one of many, against the Great Big Fat Flood silliness. If such a flood had happened, the fossils of all species would be found in all strata in a jackstraw confusion.
Even PhDs who should know better have intellectual blind spots, but I sometimes wonder at the number of chemists and MDs with this particular one.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/27/2005 : 00:53:17 [Permalink]
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| It's a big lie and it gets spouted about by the believers who eat that stuff up. Try and find any collaborating evidence or even legit science journal publication and you find none. A google search for the original research gives you only the AIG and like minded sites. |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 09/15/2005 : 06:49:31 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by GeeMack
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While looking up current information on Mt. St. Helens, the search engine sometimes hits on scattered pages written by the nescient faithful. From their point of view we are being duped by the vast majority of modern geological scientists. Sound familiar? Fortunately these "researchers" have seen through the sham and endeavor to bring us closer to the truth.
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It's common knowledge that Geology is the work of Satan the Deciever. And you? Well, you are a pawn of his Unholiness. Repent lest ye suffer the fate of the evil victims of Katrina! Repent! |
-Chaloobi
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SLP
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Posted - 09/15/2005 : 10:43:56 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Jumbo
It very much looks like a case of finding one, either flaw or just misunderstanding one piece of evidence and then declaring all other evidence invalid. Of course if the evidence is invalid it must be that 'godditit'.
Exactly true, and exactly ridiculous. Any time I read/hear such an argument strategy - two radiometric dates do not exactly coincide, therefore, the earth REALLY is 6000 years old! - I am at a totla loss of words, such is my stupefaction at such stupidity. And yet, that sort of 'logic' pervades creationist writings.
I am undecided whether it is sad or disgusting.
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