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@tomic
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 Posted - 11/09/2001 : 08:21:56 [Permalink]
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Au contraire tergiversant. Plenty of conservatives bash foreign policy. It just depends on who the President is. The conservatives bashed almost everything that Clinton did and said they'd do differently. Now that a conservative is in the White House they see how it is and Bush is doing and planning things he bitched about in the campaign.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2001 : 23:08:02 [Permalink]
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What political viewpoint are skeptics generally biased towards?
No offence BUT, what kind of a stupid question is that?
Why would a skeptic be biased toward one view or another?
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2001 : 23:17:58 [Permalink]
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I think a skeptic should enter into an election booth only after having researched the items they are voting on.
Geeses Krist, you mean people (voters) DON'T do that?
I have always read over the propsitions and tried to hear all the candidtes views for every election, and I've NEVER missed one, since I could vote. I can't understand why people keep saying, they are too difficult to understand, too long, too whatever. What is WRONG with people? 
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ZaphodBeeblebrox
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2001 : 23:47:50 [Permalink]
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What is WRONG with people?
Short Answer: Television!
Long Answer: People prefer to have others make up their minds for them. It would be better if this weren't so, but aside from Education, there really is nothing that you can do. Still others, myself included, have a cut-off issue, or two, that we simply, can not Stomach, and will NOT Vote for Candidates, who espouse them. Let me tell you, I have three Pet Peeves: The Anti-Choice, Cretinists, and People who Run, Unopposed. BTW, I have an Encyclopaedic Knowledge of Cartoon Characters, and I'm Not afraid, to write them in! I've even been known to Write-In myself, as needed.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 11/10/2001 : 00:04:07 [Permalink]
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Geeses Krist, you mean people (voters) DON'T do that?
I have always read over the propsitions and tried to hear all the candidtes views for every election, and I've NEVER missed one, since I could vote. I can't understand why people keep saying, they are too difficult to understand, too long, too whatever. What is WRONG with people?
Rap Crap is to music what Paint by Numbers is to art.
Unfortunately, I've known many people who say they're Democrat or Republican or Whatever and they vote that line and only that line. If a Democrat says this policy is good - well that's good for them.
So, yes Snake the voting public pays really little attention to what they vote for or who they vote for.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 11/10/2001 : 15:40:48 [Permalink]
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I would pick liberalism because, among other things, the SFN seems far more anti-war and anti-American (on the whole) than the public at large. You rarely hear such harsh criticism of the U.S. foreign policy outside of ultraleft forums.
Excuse me but I have issues with calling criticism of policy "anti-American." Why is it that many people loadly proclaim how America is great because we are free to crtiticize the government, yet when someone does they are called anti-American. So let me guess, all the Vietnam war protestors were anti-American? You're throwing anyone that disagrees with policy yet in no way means to harm the US into a pot with Osama bin Laden? I don't get it. Is America free or isn't it?
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tergiversant
Skeptic Friend
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2001 : 09:41:56 [Permalink]
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Excuse me but I have issues with calling criticism of policy "anti-American." Why is it that many people loadly proclaim how America is great because we are free to crtiticize the government, yet when someone does they are called anti-American.
It is a description, not an insult. The U.S. is a political abstraction. When someone proclaims loudly that its foreign and domestic policy is immoral, they are ostensibly speaking against the U.S. as a political entity, hence, anti-American.
Call it whatever you want, I see more of it here than in some leftist forums, and most of the criticisms are of precisely the same variety I've seen in ultraleft forums. I've seen few right-wing criticisms of U.S. policy. How about you?
"Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione."
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2001 : 10:42:47 [Permalink]
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Actually, during the Clinton years I saw a tremendous amount of criticism including "nation building" that Bush denounced during the campaign yet now ironically has talked about for Afghanistan and abortion and sending troops to Bosnia. I'm sure I could come up with more but that's a decent sampling. So anti-abortion protestors are also anti-American. I guess what you are sayinf is you are only pro-American if the party you support is in power. So for the next 3 years liberals will be anti-American. Come the next election, if a liberal is elected the conservatives will protest the liberal's positions and they suddenly become anti-American. That to me is what you are saying.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2001 : 10:44:57 [Permalink]
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So, if I don't like Broccoli, I am anti-food?
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does they are called anti-American.
It is a description, not an insult.
Lisa Lisa, sad Lisa Lisa - Cat Stevens
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2001 : 11:21:53 [Permalink]
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I knew it! Gorgo is anti-food! 
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2001 : 13:12:18 [Permalink]
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ANTI-FOOD! THAT'S UN-AMERICAN!
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I knew it! Gorgo is anti-food!
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tergiversant
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2001 : 13:40:12 [Permalink]
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It seems many of you are missing the subtle distinction between calling a person "anti-American" and calling an argument or rhetoric or propaganda "anti-American". I only ever mentioned this latter concept.
Regareless, if Gorgo condemned several other leafy green veggies, it might be appropriate to call him anti-veggie. It is blatantly disanalogous to claim he is only against a single vegetable having broadly condemned so many different aspects of American foreign policy over the last half-century or more.
"Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione."
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2001 : 14:13:05 [Permalink]
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I think it might be more accurate to label someone a (blank) policy critic. Your term is far to broad and open to misinterpretation.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2001 : 14:25:33 [Permalink]
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This is a smear campaign started by the far-right pro-broccoli lobby.
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Regareless, if Gorgo condemned several other leafy green veggies, it might be appropriate to call him anti-veggie. It is blatantly disanalogous to claim he is only against a single vegetable having broadly condemned so many different aspects of American foreign policy over the last half-century or more.
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tergiversant
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/13/2001 : 08:13:11 [Permalink]
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This is a smear campaign started by the far-right pro-broccoli lobby.
Admit it, you hate cauliflower, cabbage, spinach, and even lettuce! You're anti-veggie!
"Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione."
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