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R.Wreck
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 Posted - 01/23/2006 : 19:18:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Halfmooner:
People simply can't maintain a modern, technically-based society if they have the edicts of priests, rabbis, mullahs, or preachers substituted in place of observations of the real world.
Who needs to worry about maintaining a modern society when JAY-ZUZ is gonna come and rapture all the righteous clean up to heaven? For all their talk about eternity, they are very weak in long-term thinking. |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 01/23/2006 : 20:18:37 [Permalink]
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Who needs to worry about maintaining a modern society when JAY-ZUZ is gonna come and rapture all the righteous clean up to heaven?
Oh, yeah, the Rapture, I forgot that. That does help one to understand their real motives. Then again, their motives are their own business, not mine. I just don't want to have to foot the bill for their earthly preparations for Doomsday, or for them setting up a very unheavenly theocracy in the here and now. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2006 : 02:47:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
I thought that Wack a mole was such a good analogy. 
Filthy, do you have a different name over there?
Sadly, I am not registered there. The forum font's too small for me -- very tiring to read. That's the reason I left Internet Infidles as well. They changed the font. I visit the BA's home page now and again to see what's going on, though.
If I ever do join, and I'd like to, it will probably be under the nom d'guerre of: Duvenoy.
Looks like you can alter your message font in some way here. Scroll to the bottom, message editor. I don't know what the options do since I've never seen any different fonts on any posts. I couldn't find anything that lets one change font size but I'm pretty sure I can change it on my end. I think I have accidentally changed it in the past on the BAUT forum page before.
I posted on the JREF forum for a while but one does run out of time for these activities. I do have to remember I have a life and once in a while do something besides this.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2006 : 07:52:36 [Permalink]
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Well, I've registered but still can't find a way to increase the size of the font. I think I have to do it on my machine somehow. I'll get my geek son-in-law to figger it out.
We'll see what happens...
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2006 : 15:34:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Well, I've registered but still can't find a way to increase the size of the font. I think I have to do it on my machine somehow. I'll get my geek son-in-law to figger it out.
We'll see what happens...
Do you have a newer or older Windows or some other os?
BTW, doesn't the quote font size on this BB drive you nutty as well? |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2006 : 03:24:31 [Permalink]
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As I was posting on the BAUT forum it dawned on me what is going on with these bills
They failed to get Creation into schools.
They failed to get ID into schools.
What's the next logical action to take?
Get the thing that must not be named into schools.
Passing bills that make the ridiculous rule that we need to allow dissent in science classes is like passing a law that we need to allow science in science classes. The obvious intended effect, however, is analogous to ID being back door creationism. This is back door ID. |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2006 : 03:38:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
They failed to get Creation into schools.
They failed to get ID into schools.
What's the next logical action to take?
Well as actually doing science seems to be out of the question they have to go back to semantics.
As I posted on the first page of this thread Dembski has already suggested Intelligent Evolution (IE) quote:
I therefore offer the following proposal if ID gets outlawed from our public schools: retitle it Intelligent Evolution (IE). The evolution here would be reconceived not as blind evolution but as technological evolution. Nor would it be committed to Darwin's idea of descent with modification. But, hey, it would still be evolution, and evolution can be taught in schools. In fact, I think I'll title my next book Intelligent Evolution: The Mindful Deviation of Evolutionary Pathways.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2006 : 05:08:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
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Originally posted by filthy
Well, I've registered but still can't find a way to increase the size of the font. I think I have to do it on my machine somehow. I'll get my geek son-in-law to figger it out.
We'll see what happens...
Do you have a newer or older Windows or some other os?
BTW, doesn't the quote font size on this BB drive you nutty as well?
My box was cobbled up from bits and pieces my son-in-law had kicking around the shop. It has Windows XP. It also didn't cost me anything, so a few little Republicans glitches can be overlooked.
The quote font used to, but I figgered a way around it. if the quote's a long one, I just paste it into a reply, preview it, and it reads ok. Kind of a pain in the ass, so I don't bother to do it with shorter quotes.
Heh, my computer is a pretty good argument for ID. Like my spine, it works, mostly, but could use a lot of improvement. On the other hand, maybe not. Unlike the Designer, my son-in-law is anything but an Idiot. If I bitch at him enough, he'll find the time to fix it -- again, unlike the Designer, who has yet to correct any of the silly mistakes in it's creations.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2006 : 07:20:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
As I was posting on the BAUT forum it dawned on me what is going on with these bills
They failed to get Creation into schools.
They failed to get ID into schools.
What's the next logical action to take?
According to Dr. Ken Miller it has already started, "Teach the controversy." This has already been linked to elsewhere in an SFN forum, it's 2 hours long, but he gets to this point early in his presentation. I enjoyed it. http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/01/ken_miller_webc.html |
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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2006 : 14:20:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
...Heh, my computer is a pretty good argument for ID. Like my spine, it works, mostly, but could use a lot of improvement. On the other hand, maybe not. Unlike the Designer, my son-in-law is anything but an Idiot. If I bitch at him enough, he'll find the time to fix it -- again, unlike the Designer, who has yet to correct any of the silly mistakes in it's creations.
Screen resolution on the display panel settings might make bigger fonts with lower resolution. Sounds counterintuitive but that what help says.
I'll ask my son later today when he gets home. I know if I hold something down on the mouse the font gets bigger but I can't remember what it was I did. I do know something I accidentally did made the forum fonts much bigger.
BTW, thanks. I can tolerate L Ron's mug. Battlefield Earth is one of my all time favorite scifi books. Rasputin's greasy hairdo was pretty gross. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2006 : 14:24:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
...According to Dr. Ken Miller it has already started, "Teach the controversy." This has already been linked to elsewhere in an SFN forum, it's 2 hours long, but he gets to this point early in his presentation. I enjoyed it. http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/01/ken_miller_webc.html
You enjoyed it? I haven't played the video but just what did you enjoy about it?
As to teach the controversy, sure. I've been saying all along, address IC, irreducible complexity, not ID. Then you can show the lack of evidence. And while they're attempting to discredit evolution, teachers might just learn something themselves. |
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2006 : 15:21:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
They failed to get Creation into schools.
They failed to get ID into schools.
What's the next logical action to take?
Well as actually doing science seems to be out of the question they have to go back to semantics.
As I posted on the first page of this thread Dembski has already suggested Intelligent Evolution (IE) quote:
I therefore offer the following proposal if ID gets outlawed from our public schools: retitle it Intelligent Evolution (IE). The evolution here would be reconceived not as blind evolution but as technological evolution. Nor would it be committed to Darwin's idea of descent with modification. But, hey, it would still be evolution, and evolution can be taught in schools. In fact, I think I'll title my next book Intelligent Evolution: The Mindful Deviation of Evolutionary Pathways.
I read it and assumed that it was just made by someone being "just a bit sarcastic". But it really is Dembskis page, isn't it??? |
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2006 : 16:25:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
You enjoyed it? I haven't played the video but just what did you enjoy about it?
Dr. Miller is knowledgeable about his subject, he is enthusiastic about his subject, he speaks very well, and it was on a topic that I am interested. He easily held my attention for the 65 or so minutes of his presentation. The Q&A seemed a little long, sometimes tedious, or it could have been the fact that it was midnight by the time I finished. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2006 : 16:34:16 [Permalink]
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The Miller webcast is good stuff.
He demolished several of the ID arguments, in terms a layperson can easily comprehend, and he makes the case for why ID is not science.
If you know anyone who is interested or concerned, but not very knowledgable on the subject, this is something they should see.
If I had any knowledge of how to record a webcast to dvd, I would have done it already.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2006 : 03:30:35 [Permalink]
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BTW, thanks. I can tolerate L Ron's mug. Battlefield Earth is one of my all time favorite scifi books. Rasputin's greasy hairdo was pretty gross.
I'll leave him up long enough for anyone interested to read of his rather remarkable life. The guy was pretty amazing, albeit a bit of a fuckup.
I'm something of a history freak. For good or ill, my historical preferences run in favor of scoundrels, reprobates, cut throats, mad bombers, cannibals, and similarly misunderstood folk. Enjoy!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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