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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 02/03/2006 : 16:43:43
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Click here for image.
I actually found this one a bit funny.
This is a frightening example of how damaging and evil religion still is in our world. Maybe I should be an atheist activist after all.
For those of you not having turned on the telly yet today: Muslims Riot around the World over Reprinted Danish Cartoons
[Edited to change image into a link - Dave W.]
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Edited by - beskeptigal on 02/03/2006 16:46:40
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pleco
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 16:56:05 [Permalink]
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How insecure does one have to be? A joke about Muhammed (not even a god, just a man) and millions fly off the handle.
I will never understand the irrationality behind it.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 16:58:29 [Permalink]
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Nothing has killed, maimed, tortured, or persecuted more people than religion. It sometimes seems that the ethical teachings of religions are simply casual, unintended by-products. Only if the gods don't kill us first, maybe we humans can muddle along and have a chance to solve our earthly problems.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2006 : 17:00:59 [Permalink]
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From the article:
quote:
"Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," the protesters chanted.
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I thought Islam was a religion of peace? That's what they keep trying to sell us, anyway.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 17:15:51 [Permalink]
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As an American, I am strangely tempted to be somewhat comforted by the spectacle of peaceful little Denmark taking my country's unenviable place in as a primary monster in the bestiary of Islamic fanatics. But this is a deadly serious matter, and I resist the temptation.
Why any Muslims should think Islamic religous law applies outside the Muslim world is beyond me.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2006 : 18:16:31 [Permalink]
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Beskeptigal, can you please edit your post to inlcude some text above the picture? As it is now, it appears on the SFN home page where it messes with the layout. (It's a bug we haven't gotten to fix yet)
Edit: Ignore this message, Dave_W fixed the image. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 18:22:35 [Permalink]
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Many European newspapers are re-printing the pictures without permission of the copyright owners. Expect lawsuits... One French editor(?) has already been sacked aparently, however the article I read didn't hazard a guess of the reason. (I think it was the copyright issue)
Anyway, expect something interesting to happen with the money once the copyright fees are starting to roll in. |
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GeeMack
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USA
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 18:29:12 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner...
Why any Muslims should think Islamic religous law applies outside the Muslim world is beyond me.
And what makes them any different than Christians in that regard? 
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 18:40:03 [Permalink]
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I have never been religious, have never believed in God, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, etc.; the list is long! My mother forced me to attend church with my family. It did not work. I have friends who (I suppose) are religious. However, as long as they make no attempt to proselytize concerning their religious beliefs, I have maintained their friendships. I have never proselytized about my lack of religion. In this way, I can get along with many people.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2006 : 19:01:20 [Permalink]
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The Danish newspaper hit the nail, but wasn't first nor novel:
From http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/
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Depictions of Mohammed Throughout History
Controversy over the publication of images depicting Mohammed in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten has erupted into an international furor. While Muslims worldwide are calling for a boycott of Denmark and any other nation whose press reprints the cartoons, Europeans are trying to stand up for Western principles of freedom of speech and not cave in to self-censorship in the name of multiculturalism and fear.
While the debate rages, an important point has been overlooked: despite the Islamic prohibition against depicting Mohammed under any circumstances, hundreds of paintings, drawings and other images of Mohammed have been created over the centuries, with nary a word of complaint from the Muslim world. The recent cartoons in Jyllands-Posten are nothing new; it's just that no other images of Mohammed have ever been so widely publicized.
In the link above are many pics of Muhammed, but we haven't heard a peep about them...
The Muslims who get angry about these cartoons really need to grow a sense of humor, and some dearly needed self perspective. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 19:11:07 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by GeeMack
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner...
Why any Muslims should think Islamic religous law applies outside the Muslim world is beyond me.
And what makes them any different than Christians in that regard?
And what makes them any different than Christians in that regard?
(bill) Well, to be fair I don't think the Christians would "think Islamic law applies outside the Muslim world" either. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 19:29:27 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill Scott...
Well, to be fair I don't think the Christians would "think Islamic law applies outside the Muslim world" either.
Probably true. Of course there's a little catch. The Muslim world, just like everyone else's world, starts at the equator on the Greenwich meridian, and extends 90 degrees due north and 90 degrees due south from that spot, and stretches to all points 180 degrees eastward and 180 degrees westward of that line. 
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 19:33:40 [Permalink]
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I, frankly, am shocked that anyone would find it shocking that cartoons intended to piss off devout Muslims have actually pissed off devout Muslims.
Really, what's happened is nothing more than what one should expect when one tries to inflame any substantial minority of the population. I'm sure we could incite riots here in the 'States by portraying Jesus as sharing Fred Phelps' rabid hatred, or by portraying Martin Luther King as a gangsta thug out on a drive-by, or any of a number of other moronic stereotypes.
This isn't about religion nearly as much as it's about figuratively spitting on someone else's ideals. It's just a matter of finding an ideal that people care about deeply - like they do religion. Given enough time and resources, I'm sure we could come up with something which would have a similar effect on model train enthusiasts. Hell, I've heard that it's pretty damn simple to get British football fans to turn to violence, and I bet if you were to don a Seahawks jersey this weekend and strut around Pittsburg shouting "Steelers suck" it wouldn't take long before you wound up face down in the dirt (at least).
It's not religion that's at fault here, it's our ability to take personally an impersonal statement which has caused this outrage over some cartoons. From my point of view, the non-religious still have things they care about deeply enough for this sort of crap to happen. So even after religions are eliminated from the planet, we'll still see things like this, except they'll be about racial or sexual or sports or music or daytime-TV stereotypes (etc). |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 19:46:41 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by GeeMack
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Scott...
Well, to be fair I don't think the Christians would "think Islamic law applies outside the Muslim world" either.
Probably true. Of course there's a little catch. The Muslim world, just like everyone else's world, starts at the equator on the Greenwich meridian, and extends 90 degrees due north and 90 degrees due south from that spot, and stretches to all points 180 degrees eastward and 180 degrees westward of that line.
Probably true. However there is a little catch. The evolutionists world, unlike anybody else's, could have started in a "warm little pond." Or so they say... |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 20:00:17 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
I'm sure we could incite riots here in the 'States by portraying Jesus as sharing Fred Phelps' rabid hatred, or by portraying Martin Luther King as a gangsta thug out on a drive-by, or any of a number of other moronic stereotypes.
Well, I'm not sure about riots, but I'm sure you'd get a reaction. However, I think both of your ideas would make excellent political cartoons, since the entire point of them is to provoke--hopefully discussion and/or reflection. If your reaction to the material is "Hey, we're not like that," then it seems rather counterproductive to act even more violent and barbaric than the caricatures presented in the cartoons. Denmark must be blown up? Give me a break, Dave. After statements like that you can't even call these cartoons satirical exaggerations.
I will say this isn't about religion per se, but about the greater Muslim culture and its history of intolerance. They are going to have to learn how to live in a world where they can't just murder anyone who dares to "mock" Islam. Iran still has a fatwa requiring the death of Salmon Rushdie, for god's sake.
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