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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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 Posted - 02/05/2006 : 09:08:15 [Permalink]
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Danish consulate in Beirut torched.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4682560.stm
How many gatling-guns does it take to stop a 20'000 people mob?
Right now I'm seriously thinking it would be ok to defend consulates with any means possible. The Swedish consulate (which isn't next door) doesn't have a single window which isn't broken.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 09:32:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Danish consulate in Beirut torched.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4682560.stm
How many gatling-guns does it take to stop a 20'000 people mob?
Right now I'm seriously thinking it would be ok to defend consulates with any means possible. The Swedish consulate (which isn't next door) doesn't have a single window which isn't broken.
Bummer, bummer. And the end ain't in sight... quote:
How many mobsters would have to be killed before the rest starts thinking the price is too high?
Religious lunatics? All of them because they think of themselves as "defending the faith" and of such moronic stuff are holy martyrs made. Nothing is better than being a martyr for the faith -- ask any devout Christian.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 13:28:18 [Permalink]
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A reporter for a Swedish newspaper reports that several Imams was seen in the demonstration trying to calm the mobsters down.
The sunnimuslim Imam Rashid Qabani has spoken up in media about the importance of showing restraint.
This is good to see: at least some of the religios leaders are preaching non-violence, however unsuccessful.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 14:31:28 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
I thought Dave edited it for copyright reasons. I am totally confused by these technical particulars. My screen looked just fine. Anyway, next time I want to put an image up I'll PM filthy for advice. Sorry.
Do not worry about this that much. I didn't edit for copyright reasons, although technically speaking I probably should have. We (the staff) have just noticed recently that images posted near the top of the first post in a thread make a mess of the home page of the SFN web site. If you haven't looked, you'll notice that the first posts of the most-recently-posted-to threads are on the right-hand side of the homepage, so images near the beginning of such posts wind up on the homepage, too. If they're large, then all the text to the left of the image
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Changing the image to a link fixes that, as would posting a paragraph or two before an image in a first post.
By the way, posting an image here as you did won't protect it if it is removed from the original site. All the software here does is link to that original image. It doesn't copy it to our servers first. If I'd left the image as it was, and it was deleted off the original site, we'd just be treated to a little box with an X in it when looking at your OP.
But sheesh, don't sweat these small things. Apologies were unnecessary. Save them for when you hack our database and sell our membership rolls to spammers. 
Thanks for the explanation, and I understand now what the problem was. I know the link being deleted would make the picture an x in a box, so I don't know what I was thinking there. Anyway, I'll keep all this in mind next time I post an image. And, someday I'll make one of those pages you can put images to link to.
Quick question on the copyright, these cartoons are now part of the news. Doesn't that make them in the public sphere to some degree? |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 14:32:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Chippewa
Mere satiric cartoons are just an excuse for these organized riots and protests. A match to the fuel of hatred of the West, (North America and Europe,) that has been poured from many Middle Eastern Madrasas over the years, long before the earlier and latest Iraq wars and 9/11.
Ironically, any excuse to stir up hatred of liberal Western influences among large groups of Muslims is likely privately welcomed by the radical Islamists as much as the continuous ‘War on Terror' is privately welcomed by the radical Neoconservatives in Washington. It's an excuse to pursue larger malevolent aims in which both sides, though opposed, look forward to each mutual transgression to justify their own plans.
That's what is most frightening here. The fact that this worldwide clashing is growing so. |
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Jason Barker
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 14:37:32 [Permalink]
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Quick question on the copyright, these cartoons are now part of the news. Doesn't that make them in the public sphere to some degree?
I don't know of any legal support for that, but I do think that when an item is so prominent in the news, that it would be unlikely anyone could bring suit against it over copyright reasons if its just being shown in an informative context. |
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marfknox
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 14:40:35 [Permalink]
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Quick question on the copyright, these cartoons are now part of the news. Doesn't that make them in the public sphere to some degree?
They are in the news because it is lawful for journalists to use the image of the cartoons while reporting on it. It is also lawful to use the images if you are doing criticism or parody about them. But it is not lawful for you to take them and use them for the same purpose they were intended. In other words, if you have comic magazine, you can't just print them in the pages with all the other cartoons. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 14:55:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tw101356
I think that Juan Cole, a Professor of History at the University of Michigan, has a good perspective on the Muslim reaction to the cartoons in his blog.
From the above blog:
"Finally, societies in the global South are less policed and have less security than in Western Europe or North America, allowing greater space to violent vigilateism, which would just be stopped if it were tried in the industrialized democracies. (Even wearing a t-shirt with the wrong message can get you arrested over here.)"
There clearly are overlying cultural themes here besides the religious ones. B.Boxer in an interview yesterday blamed it on the lack of being used to free speech. This is tied to what this professor is saying about the different governmental controls. Funny there should be a less democratic government with less policing at the same time.
"Thus, any act that might bring into question the superiority of so-called white people in their own territory can provoke demonstrations and even violence such as lynchings. consider the recent Australian race riots, which were in part about keeping the world ordered with whites on top."
We had a long thread about the Aussie riots on the BAUT forum and it wasn't as much race riots as it was hooliganism according to the discussion and follow up news reports. Bored teens. |
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Jason Barker
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 17:46:06 [Permalink]
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B.Boxer in an interview yesterday blamed it on the lack of being used to free speech. This is tied to what this professor is saying about the different governmental controls. Funny there should be a less democratic government with less policing at the same time.
Not being accustomed to free speech explains SOME things, but not all. Surely the MUslims have known for decades that the west is filled with things that break all their moronic taboos. Why has this suddenly caused such rage? It still, to me, seems very out of nowhere, and lends some credence to the idea that this was all engineered. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 20:11:49 [Permalink]
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The Syrian state newspaper had an "editorial" in which some person was saying that no free speech protections should allow anything that "offends millions of muslims".
To which I can only wonder... when did we get a "right" to not be offended? And, where can I register my complaints about those who offend me?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 20:39:05 [Permalink]
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For some reason, I find myself reminded of the saying: "Try to please everyone, and you will please no one." To which I might add: "Try to piss everyone off, and you will succeed beyond your most ambitious fantasies."
I don't understand what all the shouting's about. It seems insane to me that so much rage can be produced over a dozen, dumb drawings. Hell, if you don't like it, write a letter to the editor and then get on with your life, if you have a life; and if you have no life, then fucking get one.
I see no good steming from this, neither for those who put forth the drawings nor the religo-fundie freaks who are protesting them, nor for the rest of us.
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2006 : 02:55:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
I see no good steming from this,...
Maybe we can get rid of this "Islam is a religion of peace" that deserves our respect bull shit...
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2006 : 04:29:47 [Permalink]
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| The more I posted on this over at skepchick, the more I thought every paper in the free world should post the cartoons. Then what would these guys do? Cultural sensitivity is one thing, caving in to your toddler's temper tantrum is another. These guys really do need to get used to the idea the rest of the world allows free speech, religiously offensive or not. It might be fine to apologize for this, (lot of good it did), but what about the next time and the next time? If you give in to that first tantrum, you better be prepared for the next one. Toddlers learn real fast what works and what doesn't. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2006 : 17:53:54 [Permalink]
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| I agree with Beskeptigal. We can't apologise now, because this is only the beginning. If we cave in now, they will run us over. We have to say enough is enough. |
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 22:07:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Jason Barker
[quote]B.Boxer in an interview yesterday blamed it on the lack of being used to free speech. This is tied to what this professor is saying about the different governmental controls. Funny there should be a less democratic government with less policing at the same time.
Don't know who mentioned Barbara Boxer 1st but the quote was posted by J. Barker. Here's my comment:
That women needs to get her head out of her ass. I did not vote for her and would never vote for her. Not proud to be a Californian because of her. |
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