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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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 Posted - 02/06/2006 : 22:52:40 [Permalink]
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The Good Doctor spake thus: quote:
I agree with Beskeptigal. We can't apologise now, because this is only the beginning. If we cave in now, they will run us over. We have to say enough is enough.
It would do no good at all, anyway. This jihad, too, will run its course, and its participants will not suddenly stop howling just because we say we're sorry.
One a side note, if I were one of the artists or newspaper editors who are now in hiding, I would be doing some careful thinking about the rioting and deaths my actions triggered. I'm not saying I blame those people, but I do know I would be having serious ethical qualms, myself. I think that is an entirely separate matter from legally guaranteed free expression.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 22:56:14 [Permalink]
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BTW, Dr. Mabuse, is Sweden feeling the Islamic wrath in this thing? I've heard that Scandinavia in general is being targeted by the Islamists.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 02:53:00 [Permalink]
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| So Dave, just curious...now that there are tens of thousands protesting and there have been deaths and burned embassies, do you still think the "god makes this all justified" is not significantly different than just an ethnic or national response to an insult? |
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Starman
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 05:07:36 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
BTW, Dr. Mabuse, is Sweden feeling the Islamic wrath in this thing? I've heard that Scandinavia in general is being targeted by the Islamists.
A bit.
The boycott of Danish agricultural products affects Swedish farmers. Also sometimes the Scandinavian countries share buildings in foreign countries and you cant expect all the fundies to be able to distinguish between Swedes and Danes.
We are a bit protected by the fact that our politicians and journalist are spineless cowards, terrified of making statements or actions that could be regarded as politically incorrect or might offend someone. |
"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 05:24:13 [Permalink]
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The ayatolla Khamenei today condemned the cartoons as a zionistic conspiracy motivated by fury over the Hamas election victory two weeks ago.
The cartoons were printed last September.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 06:45:54 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Starman
The ayatolla Khamenei today condemned the cartoons as a zionistic conspiracy motivated by fury over the Hamas election victory two weeks ago.
The cartoons were printed last September.
Typical religious fundementalist dishonesty. He will get away with it because few actually know when the 'toons were published, displaying a typical fundementalist follower's lack of attention beyond the covers of whatever book his preacher, priest, imam, rabbl, or juju man assigns him.
I'm reading that they are also trying to find Holocost 'toons. I assume that, if successful, they will plaster them all over any publication they can get to accept them, to the amusement al all...
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 10:29:22 [Permalink]
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Starman made known:
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The boycott of Danish agricultural products affects Swedish farmers. Also sometimes the Scandinavian countries share buildings in foreign countries and you cant expect all the fundies to be able to distinguish between Swedes and Danes.
Sorry to hear of that effect. Some of my US countrymen, when touring Europe or the world (especially during the Bush years) have stuck the Canadian Maple Leaf flag on ther backpacks to avoid an anti-American reaction. I suppose now some Danes are borrowing the Swedish or even German flag for the same purpose, if they travel where Muslims are plentiful.
I suggest another approach: Everyone use Danish flags. It would have a "turn about is fair play" justice to it. In World War II, there was a tale among Danes that after the Nazi occupiers decreed all Danish Jews must wear yellow Stars of David on their clothing, King Christian X wore auch a star on his own sleeve. And then, the tale goes, most Danes did so as well. The story may be apocryphal, but many Danes believe it, and it is in concert with the Danish spirit.
A story of firmer origin has it that the Nazis placed their own flag over Christiansborg Castle, the Danish Parliament bulding. King Christian ordered a Nazi general to take it down. When he refused, the King told the Nazi, "Then I will have a Danish soldier take it down."
"If you do, I shall have him shot!" said the general.
"I think not," Christian replied, "for I shall be that soldier."
The Nazis removed the flag from Christiansborg Castle.
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 10:52:28 [Permalink]
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Carry a Danish flag? Do you know how many wars we have fought?
But seriously, such a scheme only works against sane opponents. Christian, atheist, Dane, Swede, the fundies could care less. |
"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
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moakley
SFN Regular
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 10:53:31 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
quote:
Originally posted by Starman
The ayatolla Khamenei today condemned the cartoons as a zionistic conspiracy motivated by fury over the Hamas election victory two weeks ago.
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I'm reading that they are also trying to find Holocost 'toons. I assume that, if successful, they will plaster them all over any publication they can get to accept them, to the amusement al all...
I suppose that when your world view rest solely on a foundation of faith, that it is easily shaken.
I like Australia's approach to this nonsense:
http://headlines.sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13924046 |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2006 : 11:18:38 [Permalink]
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Starman jawed: quote:
Carry a Danish flag? Do you know how many wars we have fought?
Yup : ) But it has been some time since those wars. Anyway, I thought you Swedes were neutral. Dr. Mabuse is.
Starman lipped: quote:
But seriously, such a scheme only works against sane opponents. Christian, atheist, Dane, Swede, the fundies could care less.
Ah! But it would be for the Danes, and for our own pride, not against anyone. We'd carry the Danish flag, probably along with our own. Not for the sake of the radical Islamists, who are just looking for any excuse to scream "God is great!" and toss firebombs at the closest convenient Western embassy.
One thing I will do: Buy a bunch of Danish cheese next time I get to the supermarket. Maybe look for some Swedish products, too. Meatballs, lingonberry jam, salted herring?
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 18:48:50 [Permalink]
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beskeptical wrote: So Dave, just curious...now that there are tens of thousands protesting and there have been deaths and burned embassies, do you still think the "god makes this all justified" is not significantly different than just an ethnic or national response to an insult?
I think you are being ignorant of history. Just as horrible and more horrible things were done to Jews by the Nazis and to Africans by Europeans, and in neither of those cases was religion the culprit. It was racial and ethnic prejudice and nationalism. |
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marfknox
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 18:53:59 [Permalink]
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Very good one, marfknox! Now, that's a smart cartoon.
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 19:20:39 [Permalink]
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Ben Franklin cut to the root of the issue (as he often did):
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Anger is never without Reason, but seldom with a good One
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 19:29:18 [Permalink]
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This will show them!
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Tehran, 7 Feb. (AKI) - Iran's best-selling daily, Hamshahri, on Tuesday announced it is running an international cartoon competition on the topic of the Holocaust - open to cartoonists worldwide. By the paper's own admission, the move is explicit retaliation for the outrage caused amongst many Muslims by the publication of a series of Danish-originated satirical cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed that have recently been published by over a dozen papers worldwide.
"Western newspapers published these caricatures, which constitute desecration, under the pretence of freedom of expression," he said. "Let's see if they mean what they say once we publish Holocaust caricatures," said Hamshahri's graphics editor, Farid Mortazawi.
Hamshahri is offering gold coins to the best 12 artists - the same number of cartoons of Mohammed that were commissioned by the Danish Jyllands-Posten daily, which published them last September. One showed the Prophet - whose image is banned under Islam - as a terrorist.
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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