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HalfMooner
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/01/2006 : 20:05:47 [Permalink]
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I'm just waiting to find out what the Repuglican talking points are going to be. How are they going to spin this, I wonder? But they'll find a way. They always do.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
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GeeMack
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USA
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Posted - 03/01/2006 : 21:56:16 [Permalink]
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Here's an article on the issue presented by Yahoo! News...quote Yahoo! News:
Tape: Bush, Chertoff Warned Before Katrina
In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage.
Bush didn't ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: "We are fully prepared."
And here's another article where Brownie basically tears George a new one...quote Yahoo! News:
Ex-FEMA Chief Says Bush Was Overconfident
President Bush remained engaged during Hurricane Katrina but was overconfident that the Federal Emergency Management Agency could handle the destructive aftermath based on its record in previous disasters, former federal disaster chief Michael Brown said Wednesday.
Brown, one of the public faces of the administration's failure, was interviewed about his recollection of the daily briefings that occurred during last summer's devastating storm, as The Associated Press made public footage and transcripts of those sessions during the critical seven days of the government response.
I agree with H. Humbert that there will be a talking points campaign so George & Crew can continue to abandon their responsibility for their incompetence. I also believe the cognitively challenged will buy the propaganda and continue to live in a state of apologetic ignorance. Sad.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/01/2006 : 22:35:06 [Permalink]
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GeeMack wrote: quote:
I agree with H. Humbert that there will be a talking points campaign so George & Crew can continue to abandon their responsibility for their incompetence. I also believe the cognitively challenged will buy the propaganda and continue to live in a state of apologetic ignorance.
Well how else is the party of the rich going to get the votes from the majority that is middle class and poor? |
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pleco
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Posted - 03/01/2006 : 22:48:15 [Permalink]
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| I still think Brown is a dick, but at least he's a talking dick now. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 03/01/2006 : 22:49:14 [Permalink]
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Thanks for the links, GeeMack. They illustrate this situation even more clearly. quote:
I also believe the cognitively challenged will buy the propaganda and continue to live in a state of apologetic ignorance. Sad.
But with Bush's approval ratings already in the low 30's, the percentage of cognitively challenged people seems to be dropping. People are literally wising up. You can't help maintain your Party's majority in Congress with such numbers. People are seeing through the lies.
There has been a crisis of confidence issue of this sort for the Bush Leaguers every week lately, and the bottom has not yet been reached.
Watch for what I wrote about earlier: A "political punctuated equilibrium." First the opposition slowly mounts and mounts, then at last a leader emerges to crystallize the opposition. When it happens, momental change will happen very fast, and nearly everyone will exclaim in surprise, even "pundits." (Not me, because I've seen this show several times before.) A cynic, in my political dictionary, is simply a political activist resting up.
I expect this phase-change will begin with the mid-term elections, which I suspect will electrify the opposition with the scent of political blood. Then, it's Lame Duck City for Bush the rest of the way to January 2009. (At that point, I still worry about a "national security crisis" coup by Bush, in case he decides to try to remain in office.) It's way to early to predict who will emerge as the opposition leader, but don't be surprised if it turns out to be someone who is little-known now.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 03/01/2006 : 22:54:56 [Permalink]
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pleco noted: quote:
I still think Brown is a dick, but at least he's a talking dick now.
They played him for a goat, an now he wants to get some licks in at them. That's part of how the whole house of cards can fall apart. Expect a trend. I don't think Brownie was competent, either, but he's sure helping to show that Bush and Skeletor were either incompetent or just didn't care how many people in the Big Easy died.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 00:09:18 [Permalink]
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I came across the first wave of spin to come out in regards to this story. It's along the lines of "Bush already took the blame for Katrina. The press is simply 're-blaming' him."
Never mind that Bush's "apology" never went beyond wishy-washy platitudes like "mistakes were made" and "as the President I am ultimately responsible."
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 00:19:20 [Permalink]
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quote:
"as the President I am ultimately responsible."
Bush risks the possibility that people may take him at his word on this. 
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 00:50:45 [Permalink]
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Halfmooner wrote: quote:
But with Bush's approval ratings already in the low 30's, the percentage of cognitively challenged people seems to be dropping. People are literally wising up.
Well, to pose a more pessimistic interpretation of Bush's falling aproval ratings - he will soon no longer be useful to the Republican party, and they are realizing that he's more of a handicap than an advantage, thus they are feeling freer and freer to abandon support for him. Bush has never been all that popular and he got elected in 2004 by the skin of his teeth. As the next election looms closer, the leaders in the Republican party know they need to replace Bush with someone fresh. They don't even have the pesky problem of a VP tarnished by an association with Bush because Cheney won't even be a candidate in the primaries. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 03:30:08 [Permalink]
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| Sorry, I posted this in the general discussion folder before seeing it here. This is the thread we should keep, I'll make a note of it in the other. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 13:06:11 [Permalink]
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Absolutely no problem, B. I saw your thread as a vindication that I'd picked a good topic, since you picked the same out of the news. GMTA, and all that rot. 
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 20:24:19 [Permalink]
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Here's some of the anticipated spin. This one seems to be, at least in part, amplified by the reporting media. The claim comes that Louisiana Governor Blanco reassured Bush's people that the levees were safe. Well, according to the headline and opening paragraph anyway. Within the article, however, Blanco is quoted, and it appears to me she was expressing an uncertainty, not a reassurance that everything was in good order.
But yes, as we expected, it's not Georgie's fault, still, again, ever.quote Yahoo! News:
New Video Shows Blanco Saying Levees Safe
In the hectic, confused hours after Hurricane Katrina lashed the Gulf Coast, Louisiana's governor hesitantly but mistakenly assured the Bush administration that New Orleans' protective levees were intact, according to new video obtained by The Associated Press showing briefings that day with federal officials.
"We keep getting reports in some places that maybe water is coming over the levees," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said shortly after noon on Aug. 29, according to the video. "We heard a report unconfirmed, I think, we have not breached the levee. I think we have not breached the levee at this time."
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 22:09:37 [Permalink]
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Half said:
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There has been a crisis of confidence issue of this sort for the Bush Leaguers every week lately, and the bottom has not yet been reached.
There is no bottom. The right-wingers who have excused, apologized for, and defended every action of this president to date will continue to do so no matter what.
This is a game about the emotional manipulation of people, and they are masters of the game.
Until the left decides to play the same game, the right-wing will continue to get away with murder.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 22:19:58 [Permalink]
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marf said:
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Bush has never been all that popular and he got elected in 2004 by the skin of his teeth.
Bush had a "mandate" victory!
If you call 2% margin a mandate, as apparently Bush does.
You see, this is where the republicans are beating the shit out of the dems. They have the people and the know-how to take negatives and spin them into positives. They have a literal army of pundits to repeat the spin over and over and over and over... until people believe the spin rather than the facts.
Combine that with a pussified tabloid news media, who only report what people say (instead of reporting factual information) (or get two "opposing" people and let them argue live for a few minutes), and the spin wins out over fact every time.
Until people decide that truth and fact are more important than spin we will be in this same situation. I don't see it ever happening.
Which is why W will lie his ass of every time he opens his mouth... and even when they catch him blatantly in a lie (like this one about the levees) he doesn't fear any serious consequences.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 01:22:45 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by H. Humbert
I'm just waiting to find out what the Repuglican talking points are going to be. How are they going to spin this, I wonder? But they'll find a way. They always do.
I think you mean rebut when you say 'talking point' and 'spin' from the sound of this post. And since you mentioned repuglican, I think you mean republicans.
I guess the other choice is democrat? Why do people have to be so divided? There's that Rush Limbaugh mentality again. Shouldn't instead of worrying about what one 'side' or the other is thinking or saying, everyone should be trying to work together. I see everyone putting their effort into saying the other side is wrong but not do anything to come up with solutions. Americans are so strange.
I have to wonder why no one is asking why the city or county itself wasn't prepared? Why do people expect the federal government to be the 1st one to come to the rescue? The city(s) should have had more safety measures in place & stronger leadership. |
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