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verlch
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Originally posted by filthy
On truth, I found V's link interesting, albeit far afield from whatever the topic might be. quote:
Samkhya
An early example of the doctrine of spiritual evolution is found in Samkhya, a teaching that goes back more than two and a half thousand years (although it's present form dates to around the 4th or 5th century c.e.). Unlike classic Hinduism, the traditional Samkhyan philosophy is atheistic and dualistic. Pure spirit (called purusha) comes into proximity with prakriti (psychophysical nature), disturbing its equilibrium. As a result the original root-prakriti (mulaprakriti) undergoes a series of progressive transformations or unfoldings, in the form of successive essences called tattvas. The most subtle tattwas emerge first, then progressively grosser ones, each in a particular order, and finally the elements and the organs of sense. The goal of evolution however is, paradoxically, the release of prurusha and the return to the unmanifest condition. Hence everything is tending towards a goal of spiritual quiescence (Larson 1979).
Oh, how I loath philosphers! If there is a Hell, they are all comdemned to it, certainly. There, they will spend eternity in a small room listening to each other expound endlessly upon their deepest, philisophical ejaculations...... And the coffee will always be leftover from yesterday; the wine cheap and of a really shitty vintage.
http://www.lyrics007.com/The%20Rolling%20Stones%20Lyrics/Sympathy%20For%20The%20Devil%20Lyrics.html
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verlch
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 20:10:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by filthy
On truth, I found V's link interesting, albeit far afield from whatever the topic might be. quote:
Samkhya
An early example of the doctrine of spiritual evolution is found in Samkhya, a teaching that goes back more than two and a half thousand years (although it's present form dates to around the 4th or 5th century c.e.). Unlike classic Hinduism, the traditional Samkhyan philosophy is atheistic and dualistic. Pure spirit (called purusha) comes into proximity with prakriti (psychophysical nature), disturbing its equilibrium. As a result the original root-prakriti (mulaprakriti) undergoes a series of progressive transformations or unfoldings, in the form of successive essences called tattvas. The most subtle tattwas emerge first, then progressively grosser ones, each in a particular order, and finally the elements and the organs of sense. The goal of evolution however is, paradoxically, the release of prurusha and the return to the unmanifest condition. Hence everything is tending towards a goal of spiritual quiescence (Larson 1979).
Oh, how I loath philosphers! If there is a Hell, they are all comdemned to it, certainly. There, they will spend eternity in a small room listening to each other expound endlessly upon their deepest, philisophical ejaculations...... And the coffee will always be leftover from yesterday; the wine cheap and of a really shitty vintage.
http://www.lyrics007.com/The%20Rolling%20Stones%20Lyrics/Sympathy%20For%20The%20Devil%20Lyrics.html
Maybe then you'll have some Sympathy for the Devil!
Spiritual evolution is part of the game as well. You see there are plenty that have had fellowship with spirits and thus were told what to write and what to believe.
You can't honestly believe that this is where evolution ends, and there is nothing spiritual about the whole movement. You all must be in agreement that your salvation is through technology and not Jesus.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 20:19:45 [Permalink]
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verlch observed: "You see there are plenty that have had fellowship with spirits and thus were told what to write and what to believe."
Are you one of those who hear the voices of "spirits," verlch?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 20:24:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Spiritual evolution is part of the game as well.
Your game, not mine.quote:
You see there are plenty that have had fellowship with spirits and thus were told what to write and what to believe.
What spirits?quote:
You can't honestly believe that this is where evolution ends, and there is nothing spiritual about the whole movement.
I don't believe that this is where evolution ends, and I don't believe there's anything spiritual about biology.quote:
You all must be in agreement that your salvation is through technology and not Jesus.
No, I do not agree that there is any "salvation," so I absolutely disagree that salvation is through technology or Jesus.quote:
Personally I'll stick with the latter.
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verlch
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 20:48:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
verlch observed: "You see there are plenty that have had fellowship with spirits and thus were told what to write and what to believe."
Are you one of those who hear the voices of "spirits," verlch?
Yeah, all the time, little voices in my head telling me to go the padded room to make you happy! |
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verlch
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 21:14:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by verlch
Spiritual evolution is part of the game as well.
Your game, not mine.quote:
You see there are plenty that have had fellowship with spirits and thus were told what to write and what to believe.
What spirits?quote:
You can't honestly believe that this is where evolution ends, and there is nothing spiritual about the whole movement.
I don't believe that this is where evolution ends, and I don't believe there's anything spiritual about biology.quote:
You all must be in agreement that your salvation is through technology and not Jesus.
No, I do not agree that there is any "salvation," so I absolutely disagree that salvation is through technology or Jesus.quote:
Personally I'll stick with the latter.
This isn't about you.
Wait a minute, you guys will believe that humans came from some creature unknown to me, and missing in the fossil record. Which I believe is Primordial soup, fish, monkeys, humans and then gods in the astral plane. Now, what is after the astral plane? The plane with all the Babylonian and Egyptian gods and idols?
http://www.worldtrans.org/spirevol.html
See, are you trying to get us humans to believe in all this transformation, but not the rest of theosphication?
http://www.spiritunfoldment.org/
See how Luciferian evolution is? I still do not understand you guys will mock fundies like me, and quote to make us look stupid, yet you don't believe in all of this?
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The impact of the theory of evolution by natural selection, nowadays grown very sophisticated (and often referred to as the Modern Synthesis), has been profound. To the extent it can be upheld, and the evidence to date has done so compellingly, we must conclude that life has diversified on Earth autonomously without any kind of external guidance. Evolution in a pure Darwinian world has no goal or purpose: the exclusive driving force is random mutations sorted out by natural selection from one generation to the next.
That is from Harvard mind you. This man is saying that by natural selection we have evolved to here, without a doubt, yet what is the next step? Modern post Synthesis, to become gods, without a material universe, before the God of the bible stepped in and created a material world, according to Gnostic scripture.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 22:13:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
verlch observed: "You see there are plenty that have had fellowship with spirits and thus were told what to write and what to believe."
Are you one of those who hear the voices of "spirits," verlch?
Yeah, all the time, little voices in my head telling me to go the padded room to make you happy!
Not at all. I don't think there is anything at all about psychosis that could make me "happy."
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verlch
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 23:04:34 [Permalink]
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Yet the high risk is the ease with which alliances between religions and tribalism are made. Then comes bigotry and the dehumanization of infidels. Our gods, the true believer asserts, stand against your false idols, our spiritual purity against your corruption, our divinely sanctioned knowledge against your errancy. In past ages the posture provided an advantage. It united each tribe during life-and-death struggles with other tribes. It buoyed the devotees with a sense of superiority. It sacralized tribal laws and mores, and encouraged altruistic behaviors. Through sacred rites it lent solemnity to the passages of life. And it comforted the anxious and afflicted. For all this and more it gave people an identity and purpose, and vouchsafed tribal fitness — yet, unfortunately, at the expense of less united or otherwise less fortunate tribes.
I pulled that from my bottom link on the post above Halfmooners'.
Which proves evolution is a class, set agianst religion, especially Christianity. They have come to destroy the faith!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Kil
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 23:24:50 [Permalink]
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I know I should resist…
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Verlch:
Except for those darned transitional fossils that happened at the speed of light, that the fossil record could only capture fully formed fossils because the trillions of transition fossils of all modern mammals, happened in secret. We can't even observe anything caught in the midst of rapid evolution, perhaps growing 5 legs for the deer, instead of four, any number of things, as evolution shouldn't have set boundaries where a creature can evolve, yet evolve no further.
You know what's funny here Verlch? There are plenty of transitional fossils at the family and order levels. It's at the species level that we don't have a bunch of transitionals. That's the level that you creationists call micro evolution and tend to accept. So what is rare is the evidence that proves what you and we accept…
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It has been my observation that we currently have fully formed living organisms in the world today, and that those in the fossil record are fully formed as well.
Gosh. What I would really like to know is what an un-fully formed living organism might look like? Every animal and plant and fungus that has ever lived on this planet, fossilized or not, was fully functioning and took advantage of whatever niche it filled, silly boy…
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I tend to question your complex creature on up higher in the earths crust by the fact that during the flood the bigger creatures would have tried to swim to the surface, while the smaller creatures tended to have no chance and were immediately covered by the large amounts of mud and dirt.
And this explains long extinct fish found only in lower levels, how? Actually, I think it was Henry Morris who originally came up with this explanation. What a mind he had. If the evidence says otherwise, just make shit up to get around it…
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If you don't believe in the flood, than evolution is going to look better all the time.
So your saying that if you don't take Genesis literally, the evidence looks pretty good for evolution. No shit Sherlock!
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None of it is observed, only analyzed by atheists, who interpret the data to conform to their atheistic views.
Tell that to Kenneth Miller, the evolutionary biologist, and, as it happens, a Christian, who wrote the book that creationists unsuccessfully challenged in Dover Pennsylvania. Seems they thought ID should be included…
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verlch
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Posted - 06/03/2006 : 00:40:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
I know I should resist…
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Verlch:
Except for those darned transitional fossils that happened at the speed of light, that the fossil record could only capture fully formed fossils because the trillions of transition fossils of all modern mammals, happened in secret. We can't even observe anything caught in the midst of rapid evolution, perhaps growing 5 legs for the deer, instead of four, any number of things, as evolution shouldn't have set boundaries where a creature can evolve, yet evolve no further.
You know what's funny here Verlch? There are plenty of transitional fossils at the family and order levels. It's at the species level that we don't have a bunch of transitionals. That's the level that you creationists call micro evolution and tend to accept. So what is rare is the evidence that proves what you and we accept…
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Verlch:
It has been my observation that we currently have fully formed living organisms in the world today, and that those in the fossil record are fully formed as well.
Gosh. What I would really like to know is what an un-fully formed living organism might look like? Every animal and plant and fungus that has ever lived on this planet, fossilized or not, was fully functioning and took advantage of whatever niche it filled, silly boy…
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Verlch:
I tend to question your complex creature on up higher in the earths crust by the fact that during the flood the bigger creatures would have tried to swim to the surface, while the smaller creatures tended to have no chance and were immediately covered by the large amounts of mud and dirt.
And this explains long extinct fish found only in lower levels, how? Actually, I think it was Henry Morris who originally came up with this explanation. What a mind he had. If the evidence says otherwise, just make shit up to get around it…
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Verlch:
If you don't believe in the flood, than evolution is going to look better all the time.
So your saying that if you don't take Genesis literally, the evidence looks pretty good for evolution. No shit Sherlock!
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Verlch:
None of it is observed, only analyzed by atheists, who interpret the data to conform to their atheistic views.
Tell that to Kenneth Miller, the evolutionary biologist, and, as it happens, a Christian, who wrote the book that creationists unsuccessfully challenged in Dover Pennsylvania. Seems they thought ID should be included…
Where are all these phantom atoms that sprang forth to life?
No ID is not going to get in the schools when Master Masons are running the country. The same ones that carried natural selection through the ages, the group that hates theism, Chistus and everything that goes hand in hand with it!!!! |
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Posted - 06/03/2006 : 00:51:27 [Permalink]
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When are you going to buy a new horse, verlch? 
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"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Kil
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Posted - 06/03/2006 : 07:32:34 [Permalink]
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Verlch:
Where are all these phantom atoms that sprang forth to life?
No ID is not going to get in the schools when Master Masons are running the country. The same ones that carried natural selection through the ages, the group that hates theism, Chistus and everything that goes hand in hand with it!!!!
Way to not reply to my post. Why did you even bother to quote it?
By believing every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike, and alerting us to them, might you be putting yourself in harms way? There may be forces out there willing to stop at nothing to shut you up. While we may be content poo pooing what we see as simple paranoia, there may be more sinister forces out there that would like nothing better then to stop any grassroots effort expose their evil schemes by offing brainiacs like you who can see through their evilness. The government has shown a willingness to covertly collect information on those who are not going along with the program. Who knows to what hands that information might be passed? And God only knows what the Masons are willing to do. You better be careful Verlch or you may be targeted by forces stronger and more sinister than even you suspect! The Lucifarians may only be the tip of the iceberg, as you probably know. Watch your back Verlch.
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Why not question something for a change?
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verlch
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Posted - 06/03/2006 : 12:39:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
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Verlch:
Where are all these phantom atoms that sprang forth to life?
No ID is not going to get in the schools when Master Masons are running the country. The same ones that carried natural selection through the ages, the group that hates theism, Chistus and everything that goes hand in hand with it!!!!
Way to not reply to my post. Why did you even bother to quote it?
By believing every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike, and alerting us to them, might you be putting yourself in harms way? There may be forces out there willing to stop at nothing to shut you up. While we may be content poo pooing what we see as simple paranoia, there may be more sinister forces out there that would like nothing better then to stop any grassroots effort expose their evil schemes by offing brainiacs like you who can see through their evilness. The government has shown a willingness to covertly collect information on those who are not going along with the program. Who knows to what hands that information might be passed? And God only knows what the Masons are willing to do. You better be careful Verlch or you may be targeted by forces stronger and more sinister than even you suspect! The Lucifarians may only be the tip of the iceberg, as you probably know. Watch your back Verlch.
Yeah, David Rockefeller said this.
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
David Rockefeller
I dunno, do you want to serve a New World Order? Where evolution is outlawed? Right alone with Christianity?
Sorry Kil I don't see any macro missing links, If one species is going to transform into another, over millions of years, as you suggest, there would be millions in fact trillions of fossils bearing the changes.
Although another prime example of your phantom physics, etc. Just like your miracle life giving atoms, to the whole world, your lightning quick transitional species, that happened at lighting speed, your complete disregard to the origins of the eggs, only maintain my questions of your sovereign theories.
Now JFK stood in the way of the New World Order, look what happened to him, he was the president, I am nothing. And will continue to stay nothing gleefully. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/03/2006 : 12:54:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I dunno, do you want to serve a New World Order? Where evolution is outlawed? Right alone with Christianity?
The Soviets outlawed evolutionary biology, and for their troubles they got crop failures and food shortages. They also outlawed Christianity, and fared no better for it. If the New World Order follows the communists' lead on these matters, then they'll simply prove themselves to be idiots, doomed to repeat history.quote:
Sorry Kil I don't see any macro missing links, If one species is going to transform into another, over millions of years, as you suggest, there would be millions in fact trillions of fossils bearing the changes.
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verlch
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Posted - 06/03/2006 : 13:40:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Only if you assume - incorrectly - that every single animal that lives leaves a fossil behind.
Certainly there should be trillions missing links, in various stages, judging by the millions of species on the planet. Certainly there should be thousands of major transitional fossils, doing their natural selection in your terms.
Not only that, simple creatures, should be making major changes as we speak. Not just within their own kind, but trans-species.
For all the hyper boil, there should be something observable. Not theories and suggestions, perceived as fact.
I certainly do not have a guest pass to Heaven to sit with God and discuss these matters. Believing that a higher Entity, greater than ourselves, created us and allowed us to exist, makes more sense than a library creating and sustaining itself.
No church is perfect, including my own. In fact I left my church, but still support them. It seems the NWO has invaded the hierarchy, and they preach the same things you would find in Masonic writings. Good, lots of good can and will come out of Church's. Until they are destroyed to pave the way for the New World Order.
prisonplanet.com goes into detail about it. He gets 5 million readers a week. Some of the information is probably hyper boil with disinformation, but none the less interesting the work he has done. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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