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Piltdown
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Posted - 12/21/2001 :  16:06:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Piltdown an AOL message  Send Piltdown a Yahoo! Message Send Piltdown a Private Message
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By the way, I didn't mean to turn this into a diatribe against deconstructionism, but I have to post a link to a classic example of the supreme idiocy and incomprehensible prose of those who subscribe to this mode of thinking. Here is a thesis deconstructing Newton's Laws and labeling them as irrelevant and oppressive social constructs that are really no longer valid because they "impose" a series of rules that are based in a selected social order that is not valid in every world view (at least that's the gist I get from this crap, although what it really means is anybody's good guess if you can wade through the bullshit). And I quote from the article:

quote:
This deconstruction of ‘Newtonian text,' which demonstrates that the presumed causality of external forces in classical physics indeed is a social construct (as postmodern sociology claims all theory to be), refutes the presupposition of natural science about the objectivist foundations of modern scientific discourse.


So, everything can be deconstructed to a subjective social construct, which is dependent on the social order of the viewer (and no one culture or social order can ever be deemed superior to another; indeed, the discoveries and physical laws of European and American scientists are actually imperialist and oppressive because they "mechanize" the world and destroy its humanity and ecosystems). So, in other words, because the primitive tribes of New Guinea did not also independently discover the Newtonian laws of physics, then they are not subject to them (I guess they can ignore the laws of gravitation, F=ma and angular momentum). The blithering, babbling idiot who wrote this crap casually dismisses the physical laws of non-relativistic motion (which have yet to be disproven) primarily because they were discovered by a white, male native of England and are based in a "coercive power" that will eventually lead to the destruction of "subjective realities" (ala "Star Wars", where the subscribers to classical physics and its outcomes are really the oppressive empire minions who are destroyed by those in the "rebel alliance" or academic left, New Agers, fundamentalists and radical environmentalists).

So, we toss classical physics out the window because it is a tool of oppression and coercive power. What utter and complete nonsense.

http://theoryandscience.icaap.org/content/vol002.001/05zaman.html

I haven't read anything this obtuse since the last Chomsky press release; I would assume it was a joke if I didn't know the source of the information. By the way, the same blogger who pointed me in the direction of this article also noted that there have been academic roundtables held recently to deconstruct Martha Stewart and show how she is an agent of "colonialism" barring the gates from the "inferior heathens" who would destroy our culture (and I thought she just liked to create recipes and tidy house ideas).

Deconstructionism is a thought process that provides ample evidence of how "intellect" can run amok into the weeds of anti-enlightenment (a natural precursor to a new dark ages).

By the way, Trish, glad to hear you enjoyed LOTR:FOTR. Can't wait to see it again!

rubysue

If your head is wax, don't walk in the sun.


This is probably why we see fundamentalists and other religious activists embracing deconstructionism:
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/10/wolfe3.htm http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/columnists/locke/2001/locke11-28-01.htm
This might seem suicidal since relig
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Lisa
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Posted - 12/21/2001 :  20:36:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Lisa a Private Message
Hopefully hopefully hopefully I'll be able to see the movie tomorrow. My husband knows I'm a little miffed that he took off for Deadwood with the next door neighbor this evening, so as a sop he said we'd try to hit the movies. He's not all that amped about seeing the movie, since he's never read the books. I had to drag him by his toenails to see "Shrek" and he really enjoyed it, so he's willing to trust my judgement on this one too. I'm afraid he's more the blood, guts, exploding stuff kind of guy.
Lisa

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Marc_a_b
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Posted - 12/21/2001 :  21:16:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Marc_a_b an AOL message Send Marc_a_b a Private Message
Just talked with my sister who brought her teenage son to see it. She never read the books, but she loved it, and had no problem following the story. Her only complaint is having to wait a year for the next part.

Lisa, tell him not to worry. There is a good amount of sword and arrow action, and a decapitation or two.

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Lisa
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Posted - 12/21/2001 :  21:54:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Lisa a Private Message
Swords, arrows, and decapitation? My, my. If the DVD is out by April, I'll bet I can guess what I'm getting for my birthday!
(Although I'd rather have a nice, shiny Ring)
Lisa

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Espritch
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Posted - 12/22/2001 :  18:02:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Espritch's Homepage Send Espritch a Private Message
Well, I just got back from Seeing Lord Of the Rings, and I give it a big thumbs up. Frankly, when heard it was comming out, I was aprehensive that they would butcher one of my favorite books. I am both surprised and delighted to find that they made a superb adaptation and stayed remarkably true to both the story line and the spirit of the book.

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comradebillyboy
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Posted - 12/23/2001 :  00:18:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send comradebillyboy a Private Message
deconstructionism is an example of the academic blather which rightly causes the american public to view intellectuals with the contempt they so richly deserve. the whole concept of deconstructionism is refuted by everyday reality. newton's laws work all the time, even for non whites and non males and any non member of one of the opressor classes.

comrade billyboy

Edited by - comradebillyboy on 12/23/2001 00:19:59
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Espritch
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Posted - 12/23/2001 :  11:25:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Espritch's Homepage Send Espritch a Private Message
No, no. You've totally missed the point. You need to consider deconstructionism in terms of a new non masculine non Eurocentric mathematical paradigmatic mode. The construction of such a humanistic modal recentrification of scientific empiracist enquiry will clearly demarcate the racist exploitative causality of the Newtonian derived sub-paradigms of current Eurocentric mathematical systems. In this context, it can clearly be deduced that Newtonian gravity is merely a quantatized trans-linear extension of the penocentric western imperialistic causality mode rooted in the deliberate Judeo Christian suppression of the feministic super-euclidian (or spirit based) transcendent modalities.

Or is that just a big old pile of hot steaming B.S.?




Edited by - Espritch on 12/23/2001 11:29:02
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James
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Posted - 12/23/2001 :  13:39:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send James a Yahoo! Message Send James a Private Message
I'm voting for the B.S.

"Necessity may be the mother of invention, but laziness is usually the father." -Bailey's First Law
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rubysue
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Posted - 12/23/2001 :  16:26:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send rubysue a Private Message
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No, no. You've totally missed the point. You need to consider deconstructionism in terms of a new non masculine non Eurocentric mathematical paradigmatic mode. The construction of such a humanistic modal recentrification of scientific empiracist enquiry will clearly demarcate the racist exploitative causality of the Newtonian derived sub-paradigms of current Eurocentric mathematical systems. In this context, it can clearly be deduced that Newtonian gravity is merely a quantatized trans-linear extension of the penocentric western imperialistic causality mode rooted in the deliberate Judeo Christian suppression of the feministic super-euclidian (or spirit based) transcendent modalities.

Or is that just a big old pile of hot steaming B.S.?




ROTFLMAO!!!! You have perfectly echoed the deconstructionist tone! You could make a living writing fake manifestos that are looked at as profound by idiots that don't know better.



rubysue

If your head is wax, don't walk in the sun.

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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 12/23/2001 :  19:17:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tokyodreamer a Private Message
I saw it today. All I can say is, I'm a happy man right now. I hope it wins every award possible. It deserves it.

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Trish
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Posted - 12/23/2001 :  20:15:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
OK, now I'm having a complete and total memory lapse - but the monster in the dwarves hall from the shadow realm (I can't remember the name) who knows what that was originally used in? And please refresh my memory about the name! Please.

It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain
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PhDreamer
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Posted - 12/23/2001 :  20:47:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit PhDreamer's Homepage Send PhDreamer a Private Message
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OK, now I'm having a complete and total memory lapse - but the monster in the dwarves hall from the shadow realm (I can't remember the name) who knows what that was originally used in? And please refresh my memory about the name! Please.



I don't remember hearing the name mentioned in the movie, and I'm certainly no authority, but it kinda reminded me of the Rancor from the scene below Jabba's throne room in Return of the Jedi.

BTW, kick-ass flick.

Adventure? Excitement? A Jedi craves not these things. - Silent Bob
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Trish
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Posted - 12/23/2001 :  20:55:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
Um, not the cave troll. The dude that lit everything up with fire and had the flaming whip and took Gandalf with it as it fell.

Well, anyway - that thing was originally in one of the commercials for the Marines.

It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain
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Lisa
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Posted - 12/23/2001 :  21:50:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Lisa a Private Message
Are we talking about the Balrog? I remember the first time I read the books. The Balrog scared the crap out of me. I cried (hey, I was young) because I thought Gandalf had bitten the big one.
There was another time the book scared me senseless. You know the part where the party is on Weathertop and the Black Riders are sneaking up on them? DO NOT read this part if you're extremely ill and running a 104F temp. Those Black Riders haunted my dreams all night. I woke up, still sick, but now exhausted. It will be cool to see my nightmares brought to life in the movie.
Lisa

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Trish
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Posted - 12/23/2001 :  22:00:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
The Balrog yes! I knew it was simple and began with a B and, and.....

It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain
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