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Luke T.
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 Posted - 10/09/2006 : 07:52:49 [Permalink]
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International Action Center press release, 12 January 1998
International Action Center
39 West 14th St., #206
New York, NY 10011
212-633-6646 fax:212-633-2889
http://www.iacenter.org
email: iacenter@iacenter.org
For Immediate Release
Press Contact: Sara Flounders
Brian Becker
212-633-6646
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27c/082.html
Okay? 1998.
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IAC Condemns US provaction Against Iraq
1998. Clinton's Administration. Provacation? Whatever that means. ;)
Becker. WWP Secretariat. Friend of North Korea. Director of ANSWER and IAC.
These your friends, folks? You really want to sign on with them?
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Luke T.
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Posted - 10/09/2006 : 07:57:46 [Permalink]
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PROTESTERS CONFRONT MADELINE ALBRIGHT AT SENECA FALLS WOMEN'S HALL OF FAME CEREMONY
ALBRIGHT'S SUPPORT OF THE SANCTIONS AND GENOCIDE CAN'T BE IGNORED
Protesters confronted Madeline Albright outside the induction ceremonies for the Women's Hall of Fame, in Seneca Falls New York. The protest was against the U.S./UN sanctions against Iraq. The demonstration was called by a coalition of groups including the International Action Center, Iraq Sanctions Challenge, Pax Christi, Syracuse and Rochester.
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International Action Center
39 West 14th St., #206, New York, NY 10011 212-633-6646
fax: 212-633-2889
http://www.iacenter.org
email: iacenter@iacenter.org
PRESS RELEASE
Attention Assignment Editor
Press Contacts: Brian Becker/Deirdre Sinnott
212-633-6646
http://www.xs4all.nl/~peace/pubeng/inter/aa.html
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From: "International Action Center"
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:18:24 -0500
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Luke T.
Skeptic Friend
140 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2006 : 07:59:10 [Permalink]
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IAC/ANSWER isn't just against the war in Iraq, they have been against any kind of action against Iraq whatsoever.
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Luke T.
Skeptic Friend
140 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:00:12 [Permalink]
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Is there anyone here who still believes ANSWER or WCW are not communist fronts?
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Luke T.
Skeptic Friend
140 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:03:22 [Permalink]
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Iraq Sanctions Challenge Delegation Returns to Home With No Governmental Interference
New Phase in the Struggle to End Sanctions is Opened
May 19th, 1998
May 13: "We must force the U.S. government to end the sanctions policies," said Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, from Baghdad
From May 6 to 13, 100 Iraq Sanctions Challenge delegates visited Iraq in defiance of the U.S.-led United Nations sanctions. The delegates brought more than $4 million worth of medicines for the Iraqi people. They visited hospitals, schools, water sanitation facilities, and other areas hard-hit by sanctions. More than 1.5 million people have died as a result of the sanctions, mostly children and the elderly.
"This Sanctions Challenge opened a new phase in the struggle against sanctions," said Brian Becker of the International Action Center and one of the Co-coordinators of the Iraq Sanctions Challenge. "We signed a joint declaration with French and Belgian delegates to work together on the international level against sanctions. We are also collaborating with Italian, Spanish and Russian organizations dedicated to collecting medical aid and political support for a world wide offensive to end this mass murder against the Iraqi people."
http://www.ecn.org/golfo/eng/initiatives/doc23eng.html
Look at what other organizations were a part of this:
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Other delegates scheduled to speak include: Rev. Lucius Walker, IFCO/Pastors for Peace; Christoph Arnold, Elder of the Bruderhof Community; Nabil Magilli, American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee; Kathy Kelly, Voices in the Wilderness; Berta Joubert, National Peoples Campaign; Clayton Ramey, Fellowship of Reconcilliation; Gloria La Riva, Sara Flounders and Brian Becker, International Action Center, Sonya Ostrum of Metro New York Peace Action; Al Kaysi of the Committee in Support of the Iraqi People; Dr. Barbara Nimri Aziz (anthropologist); Mike Alewitz of Labor Art and Mural Project; Hillel Cohen of 1199 Health and Hospital Workers Union/SEIU and Manzoor Ghori of the American Muslims for Global Peace and Justice.
Now go to ANSWER's web site and look who is part of the anti-war coalition.
A lot of the same names.
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Luke T.
Skeptic Friend
140 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:07:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
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So what is your solution? If not Republicans or Democrats, then who?
That's a fine question for which I do not have an answer.
If you have two buckets of horseshit, one red and one blue, which do you want to use to wash a wound? The answer has something to do with a better way to wash wounds and little to do with colored buckets.
It is the system that is corrupt. We need to change the system, and not continue to validate it. That much the Communists and Socialists know.
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."
Winston Churchill.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:08:18 [Permalink]
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These your friends, folks? You really want to sign on with them?
If your problem with them is spelling, then I think you need to blame whomever posted the IAC press release on that particular web site.
If you have some other problem with what they said, then you'd need to tell me what that is because they seem to be absolutely right.
I have two problems with the Worker's World Party which causes me not to want to be associated with them. The only time I went to Washington for an anti-war protest was when the United for Peace and Justice people were involved. I can't say I know who they are, either.
Anyway, Problem 1 is that the WWP people seem to be Stalinist.
Problem #2 is that the WWP people do not answer questions, like "why are you Stalinists?"
Otherwise, I agree with most of what Brian Becker says about most things.
I don't know enough about Bob Avakian to criticize his Maoist stance because I haven't asked the question and I haven't read his works in depth enough to know whether he's answered the question. I didn't go to that march either. I'm to the point where I am realizing that it doesn't matter if Bush ever leaves if all we're going to get is another one just like him, and I suspect we will.
So, I'm not disagreeing or agreeing whether or not this particular march is right or wrong because they're involved. But if they are a small minority of who is there, then I'm not sure why it would be a big problem. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Luke T.
Skeptic Friend
140 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:20:44 [Permalink]
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Let me ask you, Gorgo, why would it be a big problem to attend a march organized by Nazis, even if most of the participants were not Nazis?
I spent a lot of time on one of the largest White Nationalist web sites out there. Stormfront. As with any other extremist organization, most of them came across as loonies. Yet there are a certain number who are capable of making statements logically and sensibly and that if you saw those statements out of the context of their web site, you might even find yourself agreeing with. They, too, hate Bush with a passion.
Does that mean because their stopped clock is right twice a day that you should buy their program?
Does that mean if they held a "get Bush out now" rally, it would be okay to attend?
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Luke T.
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140 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:22:17 [Permalink]
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And what is it that the WWP is absolutely right about?
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:25:07 [Permalink]
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I understand your point, and would agree to a point that you are right.
However, these people are not people who are advocating that an entire race should be decimated or enslaved. They are saying that Bush's (and Clinton's for that matter) thirst for empire should be stopped.
They are saying that the U.S. should stop attacking and threatening people all over the world, such as Korea, and Cuba, and Iraq and Iran. They are saying that the system is corrupt.
(edited to say this is in response to the nazi thing)
I can't disagree with any of that. I can only say they're wrong about some things. Should I not go to something organized by the War Resister's League because a great number of them believe in Jesus? |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:26:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Luke T.
And what is it that the WWP is absolutely right about?
You seemed to find something wrong with their statement about Iraq. What was it besides someone else's spelling error? |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Luke T.
Skeptic Friend
140 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:39:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
I understand your point, and would agree to a point that you are right.
However, these people are not people who are advocating that an entire race should be decimated or enslaved. They are saying that Bush's (and Clinton's for that matter) thirst for empire should be stopped.
What about Hussein's thirst for empire? What would you have had the United Nations do differently?
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They are saying that the U.S. should stop attacking and threatening people all over the world, such as Korea, and Cuba, and Iraq and Iran. They are saying that the system is corrupt.
We are threatening Korea, Cuba, and Iran how?
Would you have no sanctions against them? Do you find a moral equivalency between North Korea and the US? Cuba and the US? Iran and the US?
Have you ever spoken to refugees from these countries? I have. Any comments about the nice things Castro does for his people are a disgusting farce in the face of reality.
I was stationed in Gitmo for three years. I saw people risk their lives to get through the minefields to our base. Some didn't make it. Every once in a while, we would hear an explosion and see a mushroom cloud and know someone tried and failed.
I spoke to a 17 year old Marine just minutes after he witnessed a Cuban soldier shot down in his tracks by his compatriots as he tried to make our fenceline. And there wasn't a goddammed thing the young Marine could do about it except watch.
So any commments about Castro being a great guy are a freaking joke.
I know better.
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(edited to say this is in response to the nazi thing)
I can't disagree with any of that. I can only say they're wrong about some things. Should I not go to something organized by the War Resister's League because a great number of them believe in Jesus?
Please answer my question. Why would it be a big problem to attend a march organized by Nazis, even if most of the participants were not Nazis?
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:47:18 [Permalink]
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Please answer my question. Why would it be a big problem to attend a march organized by Nazis, even if most of the participants were not Nazis?
I said I agree with you to a point. Why would it be a problem? Because I would be seen as agreeing with something that I don't agree with. Racial superiority, etc., murder. I don't see anyone you're talking about promoting that kind of thing. In fact, they are against that kind of thing.
Two totally different things.
I think superstition is destructive, yet I stood next to Christians when protesting the war. Should I not have because I was supporting destructive superstitions?
Again, at least Communists are largely atheists. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Luke T.
Skeptic Friend
140 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:50:10 [Permalink]
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I was also part of a task force that was literally pulled away in the middle of the night from the war in Bosnia to rush all the hell the way to Kuwait to stop Hussein from invading Kuwait again in 1994.
Sooner or later, we would have had to deal with him again. It was just a matter of time.
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Luke T.
Skeptic Friend
140 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2006 : 08:53:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
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Please answer my question. Why would it be a big problem to attend a march organized by Nazis, even if most of the participants were not Nazis?
I said I agree with you to a point. Why would it be a problem? Because I would be seen as agreeing with something that I don't agree with. Racial superiority, etc., murder. I don't see anyone you're talking about promoting that kind of thing. In fact, they are against that kind of thing.
Two totally different things.
I think superstition is destructive, yet I stood next to Christians when protesting the war. Should I not have because I was supporting destructive superstitions?
Again, at least Communists are largely atheists.
Commies are just warm and fuzzy all over, aren't they?
Please.
We are talking about Stalinists and Maoists here. No amount of "end war and racism and stuff" can cover up what they are really all about.
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