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Neurosis
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 Posted - 12/04/2006 : 20:17:24 [Permalink]
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| You seem to have a problem with Buddhist/Buddhism. Why? Have you been cut off in traffic by someone with a "happy as Buddha" bumper sticker or is your neighbor buddhist and he steals your paper? Sorry to inform you, but no one here seems to care about your commentary on this one website. If you have an argument against Buddhism post it. If you just wanna rant about this website don't expect much attention. |
Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink
Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.] |
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Neurosis
SFN Regular
USA
675 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2006 : 20:29:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by Siberia
I happen to agree craving leads to suffering.
Every time I see that bit of Buddhism, I can't help but remember a depressed Marge Simpson's advice to her children to help them avoid disappointment: "lower your expectations until they are already met."
(Paraphrased from memory.)
Aim low, kids. Aim so low you can't possibly fail. Aim so low that no one will even care if you succeed.
- Marge Simpson |
Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink
Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.] |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Dave W.
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nescafe
New Member
USA
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 20:35:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
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Originally posted by Pachomius
I have been getting the impression from skeptics' websites that all kinds of people who are supposedly intellectuals or rationalists or skeptics or atheists or against religions are treating Buddhism with kids' gloves.
Is that true? is that a fact?
Are you simply looking for a fight?
If here are principles of Buddhism that you feel cry out for critical rebuke, do so.
He is not simply looking for a fight -- he is probably here because he was looking for a new skeptic forum after being banned from IIDB (pachimous2000) and suspended from JREF for 3 days (as yrreg), and the SFN tends to pop up at the top of a Google search for skeptic forum. He certainly has an axe to grind against Buddhists and Buddhism, though. |
Insert witty saying here. |
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Dave W.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 21:24:04 [Permalink]
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Yup, over on JREF, 11 months ago, a poster called "username" wondered of Pachomius:Given all the apparent nonsense that can be attributed to buddhism I just don't understand why you insist on going after the silliest things. Which is pretty much the same thing I'm wondering. Why bother fisking E-Sangha's introductory material if your intended target is Buddhism?
At least back then "yrreg" seemed to answer people's queries. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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Neurosis
SFN Regular
USA
675 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2006 : 21:51:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Hey, this is interesting, too.
Edited to add: thanks for the background, nescafe.
Clearly he is a channel for the real Pachomius, and the two personalities are clashing.
"No, I don't want a monastic life. Monasteries are stupid." said Pachomius.
"But We will love the bottled cloister." replied Pachomius.
"Help, Help.." Cried Pachomius. But no one at SFN heard his call. |
Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink
Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.] |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 21:51:55 [Permalink]
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| I'm inclined to offer Pachomius the job of being our resident Buddhism skeptic. It's a dirty job and obviously none of us much want to do it. So let him have at it whilst we attend to other things… |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 23:01:10 [Permalink]
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That is why I am convinced that there is essential incompatibility between rational skepticism and Buddhism.
Well, show me a skeptic who accepts the supernatural claims of Buddhism, and I'll show you a non-skeptic.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2006 : 07:25:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
I'm inclined to offer Pachomius the job of being our resident Buddhism skeptic.
I wouldn't, until he starts actually being skeptical of Buddhism, using rational logic and evidence, and not just bald assertions. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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Neurosis
SFN Regular
USA
675 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2006 : 14:15:44 [Permalink]
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I think Kil should be translated as:
"I'm inclined to let Pachomius lock himself away in the way back of the forum to rant on about Buddhism, while the rest of us actually talk about things that we should be skeptical of."
If so, I agree with Kil. |
Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink
Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.] |
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/05/2006 : 16:06:27 [Permalink]
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These few "Buddhism" school of thoughts are not recognized by e-Sangha. No links to their websites, their books, their followers' websites are allowed.
1) New Kadampa Tradition
2) Dark Zen
3) Lama Ponya Yeshe (Kentucky)
4) True Buddha School
Kentucky Buddhism? |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 12/05/2006 : 16:14:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Neurosis
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by Siberia
I happen to agree craving leads to suffering.
Every time I see that bit of Buddhism, I can't help but remember a depressed Marge Simpson's advice to her children to help them avoid disappointment: "lower your expectations until they are already met."
(Paraphrased from memory.)
Aim low, kids. Aim so low you can't possibly fail. Aim so low that no one will even care if you succeed.
- Marge Simpson
Alas, I cannot - my craving has kept me awake crying over stupid things for many nights... |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Pachomius
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Posted - 12/05/2006 : 17:47:56 [Permalink]
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Peace, harmony, and happiness for Buddhists?
About peace, harmony, and happiness for Buddhists, see also the geographical patches on earth which are traditionally Buddhistic for thousand of years; see any peace, harmony, and happiness with the peoples there. How about Sri Lanka (Ceylon) where the Pali Canon was confected?
I am still in the exposition phase of my thesis.
Pachomius
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